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Dems try to kill Clinton probe
NY Daily News ^ | JAMES GORDON MEEK

Posted on 04/21/2005 11:14:33 AM PDT by Republican Red

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To: tjg
If they can't do justice in ten years on a tax evasion case, they don't have a case.

Because they have been obstructed at every turn even by the Clinton "Justice Dept" and the IRS which have now been singing according to William Saffire. Why don't the DEMS want the AMERICAN PEOPLE, who paid for it, to see the report?!!!

121 posted on 04/21/2005 2:57:54 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: lepton

I did read that part. Two years for a response? In a government completely controled by the Republicans? There is either nothing to this or it's being suppressed by the White House, perhaps at the request of the the President's new best friend.

Either way it's a waste of money to further fund it. If the Republicans don't want evidence of Democratic corruption to come out, it won't. Why waste anymore money on it?


122 posted on 04/21/2005 2:57:54 PM PDT by tjg
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To: kcvl

see my post # 122


123 posted on 04/21/2005 2:59:00 PM PDT by tjg
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To: OXENinFLA

Pinging you to let you know I brought your post from the Senate thread over here...

91. S.AMDT.399 to H.R.1268 To prohibit the continuation of the independent counsel investigation of Henry Cisneros past June 1, 2005 and request an accounting of costs from GAO.
Sponsor: Sen Dorgan, Byron L. [ND] (introduced 4/13/2005) Cosponsors (2) Drubin & Kerry
Latest Major Action: 4/19/2005 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 399 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.








SA 399. Mr. DORGAN submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 1268, making emergency supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, to establish and rapidly implement regulations for State driver's license and identification document security standards, to prevent terrorists

[Page: S3599] GPO's PDF

from abusing the asylum laws of the United States, to unify terrorism-related grounds for inadmissibility and removal, to ensure expeditious construction of the San Diego border fence, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

At the end of the bill, add the following:

SEC. __. (a) None of the funds appropriated or made available in this Act or any other Act may be used to fund the independent counsel investigation of Henry Cisneros after June 1, 2005.

(b) Not later than July 1, 2005, the Government Accountability Office shall provide the Committee on Appropriations of each House with a detailed accounting of the costs associated with the independent counsel investigation of Henry Cisneros


124 posted on 04/21/2005 3:06:36 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: tjg
Either way it's a waste of money to further fund it.

It's already been funded and the report written. They are only waiting for the response from the people in the report. Why don't Democrats want this report to come out?! We paid for it, we should see it.

125 posted on 04/21/2005 3:07:52 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: jclay132
Cloud follows Clinton

February 15, 2001

If Bill Clinton thought the scandals would end when he left the White House, he has been disappointed.

Though his problems might not go as far as retroactive impeachment - a possibility suggested by one senator - he has been dogged by questions about gifts and furniture he and his wife Hillary took with them when they left Washington, and pardons he issued on his last day in office.

Both the House and the Senate have committees investigating these pardons, and federal prosecutors in New York are to conduct a criminal inquiry into the one issued to fugitive multi-millionaire businessman Marc Rich.

(my comment: the investigation into the Rich pardon is ongoing)

And following outrage at the cost of downtown Manhattan office space the former president was planning to rent partly at taxpayers' expense, he has backed down and is negotiating for cheaper property in Harlem.

Tarnishing the legacy

Stephen Schier, a political science professor and editor of the forthcoming book The Postmodern Presidency: Bill Clinton's Legacy in American Politics, says the move to Harlem is a sign Mr Clinton is aware of his image problem.

"Washington has been uniformly hostile to the Clintons' behaviour since he left office", Mr Schier told BBC News Online.

Mr Schier, who teaches at Carleton College, said liberals and conservatives alike were put off by Mr Clinton's recent actions.

And, he said, the general air of scandal will affect how history views the former president.

Bills to pay

"It has given credence to the underside of his record", he said.

Mr Clinton has financial worries as well as image problems. He is believed to owe huge bills from his legal defence against charges related to the Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky affairs.

As a former president, he commands large speaking fees - he is reported to have been paid between $100,000 and $150,000 for his first address since leaving office - but there may be hesitation about hiring him.

Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, the financial company, admitted that it "should have thought twice" after Mr Clinton spoke at a company conference after leaving office.

"We should have been far more sensitive to the strong feelings of our clients over Mr Clinton's personal behaviour as president," the chairman of the company is reported to have said in an e-mail message.

But not everyone has been scared off. Software giant Oracle has hired Mr Clinton to speak later this month, as have Credit Suisse First Boston and entertainment newspaper Variety.

Presidential pardons

Mr Clinton may have more serious problems over the roughly 140 pardons he granted on his last day as president.

Among others, he pardoned cocaine dealer Carlos Vignali, whose father donated money to Mr Clinton's Democratic party.

Perhaps even more controversial was the presidential pardon for billionaire fugitive Marc Rich, who was wanted for allegedly having evaded nearly $50m in taxes, committing fraud and racketeering and participating in illegal oil trade with Iran.

Mr Rich's ex-wife reportedly donated money to the Democratic Party, the Senate campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton, and the Bill Clinton presidential library.

A senior Republican Senator is considering introducing a constitutional amendment to limit the president's power to pardon, which at the moment is absolute.

Even a Democratic Senator, Joseph Biden, said Clinton "either had an incredible lapse in memory or was brain-dead" when he pardoned Mr Rich, the Associated Press reported.

Admission of error

One area where the Clintons seem to have admitted error is in taking gifts and furnishings from the White House when they left.

They have returned $28,000 worth of furnishings and said they would pay back $86,000 for gifts they received.

They are reported to have received a total of $190,000 in gifts.

Mr Schier said taking the White House furnishings was seen as "tacky and indefensible" by the Washington establishment.

There was dispute over whether the items belonged to the White House or to the Clintons personally.

That scandal seems to have been resolved by the Clintons' offer to return disputed property.

But it has not put an end to the other problems which could dog Mr Clinton - the youngest ex-president in nearly a century - for some time to come.

And even if he rides out the criticism, it will affect Mr Clinton's legacy, Mr Schier said.

"The way you leave can leave a lasting impression", he said.

126 posted on 04/21/2005 3:10:41 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Republican Red

I understand Clintons Probe was afflicted with Peroni's disease???? (bent to the left I believe)


127 posted on 04/21/2005 3:12:24 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society "( Robert Heinlien).)
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To: jclay132

Not only would it not be safe to assume that. It would be idiotic to assume that.

Are you an idiot?

If not, then my advice is don't read more into words than their plain meaning.


128 posted on 04/21/2005 3:12:27 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Bryan Sierra...Bryan Sierra...??? Not Bravo Sierra...?
129 posted on 04/21/2005 3:12:49 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (You get more with a gun and a smile than just a smile itself!)
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To: jclay132

Soooooooo, what's your guess on why Clinton pardoned Marc Rich?


130 posted on 04/21/2005 3:14:53 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: TexasCajun
I was thinking this Peter Paul was the Confidential Witness/Informant?

That was my first thought until reading that: "The CW [confidential witness] is related to an extremely prominent and well-known political figure".

131 posted on 04/21/2005 3:20:39 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: StarFan
Did I read there is also a Louisiana connection?

Let me go ahead and wish aloud!

Pls let it be SCC, "Screaming Cueball Carville!"

132 posted on 04/21/2005 3:31:17 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Republican Red

Bump


133 posted on 04/21/2005 3:36:13 PM PDT by sport
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To: cloud8
Sooner or later, one of these investigations is going to lead to the schlickmeister himself. Any idea who the "several senior [c]linton administration appointees" implicated for obstruction of justice are?

How about Ol'-I-Should-have-gotten-five-years-for-STEALING-classified-Clinton-era-documents-for $1000, please, Alex..

134 posted on 04/21/2005 3:50:44 PM PDT by cardinal4 (George W Bush-Bringing a new democracy every term..)
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To: jclay132
"Can you please outline and cite examples for your claim that Bill Clinton and his administration were "...the most corrupt administration in history." I'm just curious. I'm new around here. I read both sides. They think Clinton is a god. Y'all think he is the worst person on the face of the earth, or at least in American history. So, how come?

If you have a week to read it all, here's a great resource supporting that mindset:

http://www.alamo-girl.com/

135 posted on 04/21/2005 4:16:14 PM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Ghengis

Shrek, Shrej, Shrek


136 posted on 04/21/2005 4:26:39 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Brett66

Here's an interesting one Brett.


137 posted on 04/21/2005 4:28:24 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: RushCrush
I don't know what is more disgraceful, killing the probe or taking 10 years to finish it. Government incompetence at its worst. I wonder how much this cost.

I know, getting Clinton is a delicious pleasure but, really, 10 years? What a disgrace.

138 posted on 04/21/2005 4:29:54 PM PDT by N. Beaujon
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To: TexasCajun

Why isnt this article a separate post/thread of its own? This is a good story. I'm starting to like the NY Sun.


139 posted on 04/21/2005 4:32:37 PM PDT by N. Beaujon
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To: Republican Red

I'm so spooked about the Clinton's that I fear that this report exonerates the Clintons and this is a feint!!!


140 posted on 04/21/2005 4:39:21 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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