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ANGOLA: Cultural practices raise risk of Marburg spreading
IRIN news org ^ | April 18, 2005 | IRIN staff

Posted on 04/20/2005 7:59:50 PM PDT by Judith Anne

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That last paragraph is a doozy!
1 posted on 04/20/2005 7:59:51 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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Pinging everyone who's still awake to a discussion. I wouldn't have posted this, except for the last paragraph.



2 posted on 04/20/2005 8:02:08 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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Precisely the problem - seeing too much of the end of the tunnel!


3 posted on 04/20/2005 8:02:32 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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I should amend that to the last three paragraphs.


4 posted on 04/20/2005 8:02:51 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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Precisely the problem - seeing too much of the end of the tunnel!


5 posted on 04/20/2005 8:02:56 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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Severe "pucker factor" on those last three grafs. Yikes.


6 posted on 04/20/2005 8:04:46 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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""In the case of an epidemic it's impossible to say how many days or months lie ahead, but I believe in the days to come we will have more hope," Libama added. "I believe a day will come when we will see the end of the tunnel."




He must be just a "glass is half full" kind of guy.Yeah,it is impossible to say what will happen if there's an EPIDEMIC.

Guess I'm a "glass is half empty" kind of girl.Marburg scares me to death.


7 posted on 04/20/2005 8:07:24 PM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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> now stood at 235 of a total of 257 known cases

This article may be new to FR, but the data is old.

The latest "cooked" number, from Uige alone, is 277 dead.


8 posted on 04/20/2005 8:08:02 PM PDT by Boundless
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Here's another note from Congo Kinshasa:

So far, the international efforts made to control the outbreak at least seem to have prevented the Marburg virus to cross borders into neighbouring countries. Health Minister Daniel Movando of Congo Kinshasa, which borders Angola's Uige province, yesterday said that there were no cases in is country. "Our research in two suspected cases of Marburg virus in the border town of Matadi show that no cases have been confirmed," said Dr Movando.

http://www.afrol.com/articles/16059

The article I took this from is dated April 5. Does anyone remember hearing anything more from Kinshasa?

I'm betting that the border towns have a couple of cases now...


9 posted on 04/20/2005 8:12:06 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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The article was dated April 18, I know what you mean.

Very few new articles, so I'm picking from very recent ones with interest information.

Hope that's okay.


10 posted on 04/20/2005 8:17:01 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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This line got to me: "If we succeed in managing all the cases and the funerals, we'll start reducing the risk of transmission," he told IRIN.

And this is from the WHO guy.

11 posted on 04/20/2005 8:20:21 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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> Very few new articles, so I'm picking from very
> recent ones with interest information.

Yep. It's quiet. Too quiet.

The WHO had been putting up daily reports.
Their latest is dated the 15th.


12 posted on 04/20/2005 8:23:09 PM PDT by Boundless
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And the day after tomorrow will be a week since new information.


13 posted on 04/20/2005 8:28:14 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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Yep. It's quiet. Too quiet.

Indeed.

I find this a bit spooky, and at the risk of being a conspiracy theorist, there are some other troubling aspects too. My sense has been:

1. First, they admitted they would not release new data.
2. They reclassified the data.
3. Then the post the data, but it is identical to the old.
4. Then no more data, but,
5. From a different source we learn of more deaths, and the deaths exceed the previously reported total cases.
6. Then they partition the data, reporting different numbers from different locations, but in a way that it is difficult to determine the totals.
7. They report the deaths but not the total number of cases, in sharp distinction to their reporting previously.

It is also troubling because it almost seems to me that they are reading our posts. Every time we think we are getting a handle on this, they look at EXACTLY what we had been following and change their reporting to omit it. The most recent example, from my perspective, is that they reported the deaths but NOT the total number of cases, so I cannot calculate the D_c/I_c ratio.

/conspiracy mode off

14 posted on 04/20/2005 9:25:12 PM PDT by 2ndreconmarine
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Well, if they are reading our posts, they are reading our posts.

The problem is, they cannot hide Marburg forever. It is infectious and contagious, and they do not have the medical infrastructure to contain it. And they can't shut EVERYBODY up--people talk.

Even the Chinese couldn't keep a lid on SARS. Angola is much less organized...


15 posted on 04/20/2005 9:29:56 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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These people are literally whistling past the grave yard. With what they have to work with and what they're facing I really don't see how they can escape disaster unless the virus kills itself.


16 posted on 04/20/2005 9:32:02 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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Someone let that 277 dead number slip. I don't think the Angolans wanted that reported.


17 posted on 04/20/2005 9:35:58 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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And we all know viruses don't kill themselves...


18 posted on 04/20/2005 9:37:27 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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The problem is, they cannot hide Marburg forever.

Indeed.

And apparently, it is now just getting past their ability to hide. The recent thread listing the Uigi death toll of 277, which means the total death toll is probably around 300 and the total number of cases well above that is case and point. ALL of these numbers exceed what they had been reporting for total cases.

At this point, it may fast be becoming that the only reliable information is the death toll, because they cannot conceal it.

19 posted on 04/20/2005 9:38:20 PM PDT by 2ndreconmarine
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And with a mortality rate of 100%...it may be that your earliest predictions were correct. What a thought!


20 posted on 04/20/2005 9:42:40 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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