Posted on 04/16/2005 7:02:58 AM PDT by bourbon
"Were it sufficient for people to be just Americans this country would be better off."
AMEN!
Very well said.
"I just think it is funny that a liberal student newspaper ran this racist ad b/c the paper's slacker staff was too lazy to read their ad copy before sending it to press."
Funny...but typical. ;o)
and what exactly does THAT have to to with printing it?
Groups like American Renaissance go WAY beyond being critical of illegal immigration.They are akin to the White Citizen's Councils and David Duke neo-Nazi nut case organizations.Their speakers have an anti-Jewish and anti-black bias that goes way beyond conventional conservative philosophy and I hate to see AR and groups of their ilk defended on this forum.
Makes us look really bad similiar to those on the Left who try to justify Islamic terrorism by pointing out something"we"did years ago.
Wrong,just plain wrong.
The ad was certainly not politically correct.
And since the goal of political correctness is to inhibit speech, limit discussion topics, and foist upon everyone an irrational, emotional self-limiting vernacular, then the ad has to go.
"Our diversity is our strength." "We are a multicultural society." And don't you dare question it.
PC über alles!
Political correctness ha neutered conservatives for the most part.
And the Dems of course long for the day this ad refers to.
So that just leaves racists like me...lol
Well some of us have pride in who we are and where we came from. I have great pride in some of my ancestors and their accomplishments. Any Texan worth his salt has great pride in his geographic heritage. That does not preclude one from having pride in other things.
Maybe not but they each promote their GROUP politics and DIVERSITY at the expense of others (whites) with impunity. All I'm saying is that for some reason if whites attempt to do the same it is decried as racism.
Well, if I was from New York maybe I wouldn't be proud of where I was from. However, Texans almost to a man take more pride in being a Texan than in being an American.
"When whites try to do the same it is decried as racism"
What you neglect to point out that until quite recently white was the "norm"and, at least where I grew up, anything and everything that mattered in the world,according to parents and teachers,was of European origin.I think many minority groups and their identity politics is a way of compensating-or maybe OVER compensating- for the skewered emphasis from years past.
Its a phase that will eventually pass and I think if you ask the average black or Latino kid,racial pride isn't exactly on their priority of Things that Matter.
Unlike you I have pride in my reading ability.
I graduated from Ole Miss in 2001. Regardless of the content of the add the Daily Pravda is a left wing rag, with shotty writing and research.
My dad was enamored of cowboy culture and used to tell people he was from Texas. I like New York, just not Lawn Guyland too much as its too boring for words.
You are right about the democrats. I do not think you are a racist though :-)
Well, WD. I guess we'll have to disagree on this one.
I do think the ad is racist, in part for what it says but mostly b/c of what it is trying to sell--the pernicious ideas of American Renaissance.
If a similar ad from a non-racist organization decried the influence of multiculturalism and unregulated/illegal immigration on American culture more generally, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. Indeed, I have made many similar comments on this forum.
However, this ad is clearly targeted at "whites only." I mean, can you imagine any non-white person reading that advertisement and thinking, "Yeah, that's the ticket!?" For the life of me, I can't.
Furthermore, this ad overlooks powerful race-neutral ideals to make a direct appeal to White Nationalism. I happen to find this pretty offensive, especially considering AR's naked attempt to win followers among current Ole Miss students.
People like Jared Taylor and Sam Francis are modern day legatees of Theodore Bilbo and Sam Bowers. Those folks have already brought our state (MS) enough trouble, and I will gladly fight their attempts to reestablish a foothold here.
I just wonder why it's not racist to applaud the diminishment of the evil "white" gene pool but it is racist to wonder if that's a good thing.
That's a really good point. I have actually thought about that for some time now.
My beef is not so much w/ the statement that a future white minority in the U.S. is a 'bad thing.' I just have a problem with the reasons why AR thinks it is a 'bad thing.' AR's answer is (roughly) that white people, thanks to superior genetics, are responsible for what makes America great. Conversely, AR believes that most non-whites (conveniently excluding Asians), thanks to their inferior genetics, are responsible for the sad-sack state of affairs in the Third World. I just don't believe that at all.
Now, it is true that the founding ideals of the US were first generated by white Christian men. That's a historical fact, and I don't see how anyone can really argue with that. Furthermore, it is also a fact that these ideals (not surprisingly) are presently best preserved among whites in this country. Because of this fact, I think conservatives (white and non-white, think Michelle Malkin) are right to be concerned about the prospect of an "invasion" of Third World immigrants and non-immigrants which could make those who believe in traditional American ideals a minority in the country of their birth. Similarly, the many liberals who cheer at the prospect of a coming white minority usually do so only b/c they dislike traditional American ideals.
But there is a key distinction here. The orthodox conservative line is that conservatives should be concerned about the twilight of conservative ideals, regardless of the race of those who believe in these ideals. OTOH, AR and other groups concern themselves only with race, thus betraying the universal character of the ideals of America's Founding. In short, race is the main ideal of AR and, more broadly, White Nationalism. In contradistinction, the ideals of most conservatives in the U.S. are race-neutral, and I believe conservatives should make every effort to keep their ideals strictly race-neutral. Not only is this the "polite" thing to do, but it is also necessary to give the full effect and meaning to universal character of those ideals (e.g. for the U.S. to be the proverbial "City on a Hill").
It is crucial to remember that there are significant numbers of non-whites (think Michelle Malkin, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, J.C. Watts, Bobby Jindal, Elaine Chao, Condi, Alan Keyes, etc.) who now subscribe to conservative ideals. It is also important to realize that AR frankly doesn't give a whit about these people. In fact, they probably resent them insofar as they provide a powerful and visible rebuke to their racist ideology.
To AR et al., the main political objective will always be protecting white nationhood and racial purity from attack. They do not seek the preservation and propagation of the ideals which have made America great. If they did, then they would care about demonstrating how these ideals can be transferred across racial and cultural lines and to show how these ideals are in tune with natural law instead of particularized racial identities.
At bottom, AR could care less about the American project of attempting to secure freedom and justice for the oppressed in the U.S. or abroad. Their only goal is to fortify "White America" agains all manner of "assault."
By contrast, the goal of all conservatices should be to explain how the ideals which were born in a largely white country should be adopted by other people who neither share our past nor our genetic makeup. For groups like AR to make an appeal to "whites only" is not only racist; it is shortsighted and it will ultimately lead to the betrayal and the destruction of conservative ideals. Most importantly, it is not moral, and it is not a serious strategy for victory against tyranny.
I agree that liberals are pretty knee jerk but most of the groups that say they are for white pride aren't forthright about their motives. It's pretty interesting because I know a lot of immigrants who think American is a catch all phrase for everyone. Americans aren't ethnic imho.
thanks...I was joking.
and I only care when my friends call me racist...so thanks again.
;>)
good post...I think that groups like the Minute Men are great because they're open to everyone united in one cause. Which is how it should be. I don't know why regular groups leave it to folks like Jared Taylor to point out the illegal entry problem.
I'm not proud of being white. It's a skin color. No more, no less. There's a lot of differences among whites (as there are Asians, American Indian tribes, Blacks, East Indiana, and others)
It's stupid for one to be proud of one's race - any color.
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