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Sweet Deal, Bad Taste
National Review Online ^ | April 15, 2005 | Stephen Moore and Phil Kerpen

Posted on 04/16/2005 6:36:04 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot

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1 posted on 04/16/2005 6:36:04 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Willie Green; 1rudeboy; Southack; nopardons; LowCountryJoe; A. Pole; hedgetrimmer; expat_panama

Now Willie is going to explain that these artificially high prices are all that keep our sugar prices from rising!!


2 posted on 04/16/2005 6:39:28 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

This thread is destined to soar to 20+ replies.


3 posted on 04/16/2005 7:02:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

PROTECTIONISM BUMP!


4 posted on 04/16/2005 7:06:05 AM PDT by 1rudeboy (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
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To: 1rudeboy

The sugar beet farmers in the Dakotas and western Minnesota send their sincere thanks...


5 posted on 04/16/2005 7:09:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Say, who's the guy who argues that slavery is a necessary by-product of free trade? Do you remember?


6 posted on 04/16/2005 7:10:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Remember Monica and Bill Clinton? One of the people Bill talked to while Monica was doing her thing -- was a politically powerful, well-connected guy named Fanjul - a sugar producer.


7 posted on 04/16/2005 7:11:27 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Thanks for what? Helping themselves to our wallets?


8 posted on 04/16/2005 7:12:29 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Why, yes...


9 posted on 04/16/2005 7:13:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Sugar pisses me off.


10 posted on 04/16/2005 7:14:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (It's a heck of a long time 'till Christmas.)
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I've always been amazed at the way those guys seem to have a direct line to the White House, regardless of the president's political affiliation.


11 posted on 04/16/2005 7:21:56 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Lazamataz

She can always stay at my place, then. Tell her to bring a six-pack.


12 posted on 04/16/2005 7:27:30 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Actually, this study doesn't take into account the higher cost of welfare, unemployement and other costs to the state due to displaced workers.

If you spent as much time in Hawaii as I did and saw just how depressed the the economy was due to a lack of sugar jobs you'd understand. Those jobs, which were present in the years prior to the 1990s, were high paying jobs which a person could support a family on. Now the only jobs one can look forward to is low-wage travel jobs. The same can be said for the pineapple industry. I don't think there is any commercial pineapple canning jobs in Hawaii anymore due to our failed trade policies.

13 posted on 04/16/2005 7:35:51 AM PDT by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
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She can always stay at my place, then. Tell her to bring a six-pack.

Sure but she likes her Metallica LOUD!

14 posted on 04/16/2005 7:37:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (It's a heck of a long time 'till Christmas.)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

That argument doesn't wash. To avoid pain in Hawaii, you'd rather inflict pain on the United States.


15 posted on 04/16/2005 7:39:48 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot

As a relative newcomer I must say that I love FR. Last week I got involved with a group of protectionist "anti-globalists" who promoted sugar price supports and accused me of treason for disagreeing.
I knew there must be someone who agreed with me and now this post.
I feel better.


16 posted on 04/16/2005 7:44:13 AM PDT by Shisan (When in doubt, win the trick.)
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Yes, the argument is valid. The study didn't take into account the intangibles such as higher taxes to take care of displaced families as well as the effects on the workers and society of the "burger-flipping" jobs that the displaced workers may or may not find.

The study is flawed therefore. They looks only at one aspect and leave out the bigger picture. Liberals argue that way all the time.

You guys are desperate and simplistic. Your method of argument is similar to that of the gun-banners. Shame on you.


17 posted on 04/16/2005 7:46:42 AM PDT by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

Simple, huh? What can be more simple than an argument based upon zero-sum theory?


18 posted on 04/16/2005 7:47:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Its not just the cane and beet growers. Its farmers.


19 posted on 04/16/2005 7:49:14 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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Say, who's the guy who argues that slavery is a necessary by-product of free trade? Do you remember?

It was David Ricardo. In his thesis on comparative advantage, he also asserted that the natural price of labor stabilizes at the subsistance level. But the global trade shills prefer to keep that part of Ricardo's theory hush-hush.

20 posted on 04/16/2005 8:28:18 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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