Posted on 04/15/2005 5:09:20 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
Oh so now you're espousing multiculturalism, too?
Did I express an opinion? My post was sourced. Argue with them.
That is completely false, and to restrict anyone from legislating because of their religious morality is a "religious test" forbidden by the Constitution.
True you don't...
Could you try to explain?
The ACLU has never had the majority on their side. They do not operate by encouraging legislation which they want, instead they make a legal end-run around popular representation by encouraging unconstitutional judicial activism, which is precisely how the meaning of the First amendment has been twisted into "freedom from religion."
But the ACLU tries to drum up massmedia support, making a lot of noise, and pretending to have widespread agreement among the populace that they're right about everything. In any case, the majority can have an impact on the legal climate, but it certainly shouldn't be imposing its religious views on anyone out of strength.
You still haven't cited any contemporary constitutions that proclaim states as being Christian. Do they exist?
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConstitutions.htm
State Constitutions that Discriminate Against Atheists
Arkansas State Constitution, Article 19 Section 1 ("Miscellaneous Provisions")
No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court.
Maryland's Declaration of Rights, Article 36
"That as it is the duty of every man to worship God in such manner as he thinks most acceptable to Him, all persons are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty; wherefore, no person ought by any law to be molested in his person or estate, on account of his religious persuasion, or profession, or for his religious practice, unless, under the color of religion, he shall disturb the good order, peace or safety of the State, or shall infringe the laws of morality, or injure others in their natural, civil or religious rights; nor ought any person to be compelled to frequent, or maintain, or contribute, unless on contract, to maintain, any place of worship, or any ministry; nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God, and that under His dispensation such person will be held morally accountable for his acts, and be rewarded or punished therefore either in this world or in the world to come."
Massachusetts' State Constitution, Article 3
"Any every denomination of Christians, demeaning themselves peaceably, and as good subjects of the commonwealth, shall be equally under the protection of the law: and no subordination of any one sect or denomination to another shall ever be established by law."
Comment: Apparently Non-Christians are not "equally under the protection of the law".
Mississippi State Constitution. Article 14 ("General Provisions"), Section 265
No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state.
North Carolina's State Constitution, Article 6 Section 8
"Disqualifications of office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."
Pennsylvania's State Constitution, Article 1 Section 4
"No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."
South Carolina's State Constitution, Article 4 Section 2
"No person shall be eligible to the office of Governor who denies the existence of the Supreme Being; ..."
Note: If you continue reading you will find that (in Section 8) the Lieutenant Governor must also meet the same qualifications as the Governor.
Tennessee's State Constitution, Article 9 Section 2
"No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."
Texas' State Constitution, Article 1 Section 4
"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."
I see nothing about establishing Christianity in those clauses. References to Christianity are seen in some, but they aren't exclusive or such. I see discussion of the almighty, but no sectarian distinctions. These are not establishment clauses.
Its my Christian nature to hate hate.
I'm very happy for you and your joyous convictions. However, I am not prepared to drink the multiculturalist Koolaid.
I agree, but they do preference Christians exclusively as leaders.
God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten Son.
If Jesus died for the whole world, he died for the "multiculturalist's" too. To hate them is to deny Christ's sacrifice.
You claim that it's hate to want to limit the number of people coming into the country. I say it's defense of my own people. It's up to you how you want to interpret that, but I'm not a hating kind of a person. I do love my own people enough to consider their needs above people who are outside of this country.
Correct. I assumed that Christians are the majority so therefore this mostly references Christians but you are correct. Anyone who claims belief in God would seem to only eliminate atheists while allowing satanists.
As for the immigration issue, God clearly commands us on how we should treat aliens and it doesn't include treating them like criminals. I know I'm a minority on this but my understanding of the bible says we cannot treat them differently than we treat ourselves.
" -- but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. -- "
Offices including:
"--- The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; -- "
Apparently you do not accept that State officials were included in the 'religious test' portion of Article VI.
Why is that?
Did I express an opinion?
You have been arguing that States can use religious tests as qualifications for offices, have you not? -- Deny your argument is an 'opinion' if you must, but I don't get the 'why'.. Why do you want religious tests for officials?
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My post was sourced. Argue with them.
No thanks, sourcing doesn't make arguments. Logic works best.
So you're saying that we're forced to keep the gates to American immigration wide open by the Bible? I don't believe it. I don't think we should all be subject to your personal convictions on this matter, either.
That is completely false, and to restrict anyone from legislating because of their religious morality is a "religious test" forbidden by the Constitution.
Any religious test is forbidden to qualify for an office, but after attaining office, the official must support the Constitution, - including the 1st Amendments restrictions on the various 'establishments' of religions.
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