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Horowitz Speech Disrupted (And Reaction from Socialist Prof)
Daily Texan ^ | 4/15/04 | Marjon Rostami

Posted on 04/15/2005 7:07:23 AM PDT by Flightdeck

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To: Flightdeck

It's pretty fun to sit around in a right wing chat room and bash people you don't know, isn't it? That's good civilized politics. Since you're all up in here assuming what I think and do, I thought I'd share my response to my conservative critics on the Horowitz incident. To be clear, I don't think public confrontation is the same thing as censorship. It's a good thing the activists at the Boston Tea Party didn't either.

Another key point: real censorship is calling the cops--which I have never done to silence anyone, and would not unless physically threatened.

Here's my response to people who've been sending me hate mail.

Greetings,

Thank you for writing. I have begun to get a lot of mail and have developed a standard answer to questions about my defense of protesters at Horowitz's speech. I think it is completely appropriate for people to talk back to me and I appreciate your engagement with me.

Some people have asked if they can visit my classes. You are welcome to visit my classes. However, unlike a public forum or other space where social movements break out, the classroom is a protected civil space where I would not heckle anyone; nor would I think it fair to students for someone to disrupt their learning. I have read Mr. Horowitz's statement on academic freedom, and find I meet all of his criteria for an ethical educator, by the way.

I had nothing to do with the various noisemakers of other activists, though I support their right to use them. No one approached the podium to threaten Mr. Horowitz. It is my recollection and understanding that noisemakers were employed only after the hosts of the meeting threated to arrest those who spoke. Also, many of Horowitz's supporters made noises--clapping and cheering, for example--interrupting the flow of his oration. I do understand and sympathize with verbal and other outburts (although again, I didn't make any of those myself) when a speaker says absurd things like "the proof that racism doesn't exist is that Oprah Winfrey, a black woman with a weight problem, makes a lot of money." Or "I can argue circles around any leftist in the room."

Some critics of our actions think rude behavior is inappropriate. Perhaps the mainstream today would find the Boston Tea Party innappropriate if it happened now. Perhaps you believe the British parliament is full of barbarians, since they interrupt speakers with "huzzahs" and "bahs" and boos and so on all the time.

He had the right to speak; we had the right to talk back. Democracy has always involved protest in the U.S. from the Boston Tea Party, through the ending of slavery, through civil rights and other progressive change. Being unruly is part of the tumble of democratic life, when it occurs in the open, in public. The classroom is not an ethical space for that kind of struggle. I would hope you would respect my students (you don't have to respect me) and save the heckling for a public lecture or rally. I am speaking at a rally on April 21 on the West Mall. That would be an appropriate place to heckle me.

I've been heckled many times. I've had death threats and other kinds of threats. I've had people asking for my job on a platter (oh, wait, that was Horowitz). I have NEVER called the police on anyone and would never have a heckler arrested in a public setting.

Horowitz has been confronted everywhere he goes because many faculty, students, and activists know what he's about, and it's not freedom of expression. He's on a tear to get rid of people like me. Think about this logically: the Right has most of the economic and political power in our country. The United States is the dominant power in the world. Horowitz argues that left academics with our cultural studies and powerpoint presentations are taking over. It doesn't make sense. Conservatives are not oppressed, even at the University. In U.T.'s government department, business school, advertising, aerospace engineering, geology, and many other departments, conservative thought outweighs the liberal or progressive. If Horowitz really wants "balance" at the University, perhaps he will encourage the business school to hire a socialist so they get both sides over there. My liberal and progressive colleagues go to pains to ensure freedom of student expression. The odd examples Horowitz cites are truly few and far between; not to mention many of his stories about professorial conduct are made up.

Thus, there must be some other motive for what Horowitz is up to. If you say something often enough, even if it is patently absurd, you can get a charge to stick. What we have in front of us is an attempt to build fear of left academics and others in order to monitor and discipline them. Eventually, given that Horowitz lumps progressive scholars and anti-war activists with terrorists, he might succeed in getting Homeland Security to pay us a visit. At that point, who would be the most powerful censor of all?

It's how McCarthyism started: the keeping of blacklists of suspicious persons in the name of freedom. When McCarthyists come for me, I'll be out there with signs and I'll use my voice.

You are certainly free to do the same. Again, for me the classroom is different. Politics is rowdy. I think you all who are used to throwing insults around instead of arguments can see that.

Sincerely,

Dana Cloud


81 posted on 04/17/2005 9:42:49 PM PDT by commieprof
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To: commieprof; Arrowhead1952

"It's pretty fun to sit around in a right wing chat room and bash people you don't know, isn't it? That's good civilized politics. "

Is this the kind of inane logic you use in class? Were you a personal friend of Ronald Reagan when you were (I'm sure) bashing him for proving how dangerous and destructive communism is to humanity? Did you know David Horowitz while you were bashing him in print in that rag of a student newspaper?

Some day soon, people like us who are assets to this country will have grown tired of protecting your right to be a drain on the same society. Right now there is nothing preventing people like you from not only being worthless, but destructive. If your agenda ever gained more than the psychotic-fringe support it has, however, those of us that build this country will quickly and efficiently humiliate you to the point where it will no longer be acceptable for a higher educator to moonlight as a communist indoctrinator. Then you will have destroyed yourself as you would have done to our country. You might recognize me that day as the one laughing.

Arrowhead: Looks like the commieprof herself has joined the discussion and been a sleeper troll to boot.

P.S. If your tagline is an honest description of yourself, why the public resume of socialist? Could it be that you know the rest of the world already considers your ideas insane?


82 posted on 04/18/2005 7:05:07 AM PDT by Flightdeck (I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.)
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To: Admin Moderator

check out post 81. It seems the subject of this thread portends to be a Freeper herself.


83 posted on 04/18/2005 9:46:59 AM PDT by Flightdeck (I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.)
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To: Flightdeck
It's time to demand that State and Federal dollars be used to teach and not indoctrinate.

Is it just me or has others noticed that the number of useless course has ballooned over the past years.

I wonder just how some impressionable student will use these useless studies to advance themselves in life.

University of Texas used to be a good university system.

Now the University Texas system is controlled by kooks and fruits on the highest level.

I would guess that one could suppose that any education earned at this bastion of political correctness would have to be discounted with a BS quotient.

"Hook Em Horns" no longer has the original meaning that it was intended.

As they say in certain parts of Austin, different strokes for different folks.
84 posted on 04/18/2005 9:59:12 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: commieprof
"It's pretty fun to sit around in a right wing chat room and bash people you don't know, isn't it? That's good civilized politics."

Those political science idiots over in Austin would not know civilized politics if it hit them in the butt with a 6 foot two by four.

I will admit that I don't personally know you. I don't want to know anyone who has an agenda to destroy the minds of my children.

You guys spew out worthless crap trying to justify different lifestyles and thinking.

You only want free speech as long as it agrees with you perverted views of society.
85 posted on 04/18/2005 10:07:43 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: OKIEDOC

Since my degrees are in engineering, and politics doesn't enter those classrooms too often, hopefully they are not tarnished like you suggest.


86 posted on 04/18/2005 10:12:14 AM PDT by Flightdeck (I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
They don't want Horowitz to be heard. What about his right to free speech or my right to hear him. A fair exchange of ideas is fine, intentionally being disruptive so that the other side's opinions are not heard is not.
87 posted on 04/18/2005 10:18:29 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Flightdeck
Should have clarified.

Political Correctness in certain departments at UT.

Was over in Austin a few months ago and stayed close to the hospital near the campus.

Talked with several of the students working at the hotel.

Surprisingly, most were more interested in getting a good education than in the liberal politics.

Seems like kids who have to work for an education are more on the conservative side of the picture.
88 posted on 04/18/2005 12:31:20 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Where are the parents here? What kind of parents would let their child hang around a law school?

Did I tell you that I've decided to take the LSAT this summer along with the GRE?

It must be bad parenting - or that rebellious streak. :-)

89 posted on 04/21/2005 1:45:42 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (¿Podemos ahora sonreír?)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Did I tell you that I've decided to take the LSAT this summer along with the GRE?

Did I tell you that you'd make a great lawyer? LOL.

It must be bad parenting - or that rebellious streak. :-)

This country could use a little more rebelliousness! And, you're always the very best at everything you decide to do!!! ;-)

90 posted on 04/21/2005 4:16:36 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Did I tell you that you'd make a great lawyer?

I vaugely remember you telling me that a long time ago. LOL

91 posted on 04/21/2005 9:01:03 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (¿Podemos ahora sonreír?)
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