Posted on 04/15/2005 6:40:12 AM PDT by bedolido
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You make a good point, but the abstract is still unrefereed in the proceedings. Also, I've seen many graduate students, presenting for the first time, getting blistering attacks from some grumpy professor with a hot pepper up his @ss. At that point, the student's advisor, or more sympathetic audience member, will step in and correct the noise maker. At other conferences, I've seen industrial work criticized by an academics as to being not possible or goes against such and such principle. The author simply retorts that the process makes a selling product in wide use. If the process was impossible, how can we have a finished product. Some professors are out of touch with what happens in the real world, even in science.
From Google:
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The American public predictably ate it up and sales of the book soared. The Newsday writers eventually began to feel guilty about all the money they were receiving from the farce, and confessed. But the resulting publicity only made the book sell even better.
hoax-like ping
Been there, seen that. But in defense of the academic guys (at least in my field of chemistry), many academics just don't have good "feel" for the really extreme conditions that modern chemical processes can bring to bear, displacing many reactions that ARE virtually impossible under normal lab conditions FAR from "normal equilibrium", and generating the conditions that the "industry guy" is describing.
At the smaller conferences, the quality control is provided by the organizer, as he/she usually selects or knows the speakers, but at the really big ones (like Pittcon for analytical chemists), in many cases the organizer knows only a few of the folks asking time to present, and has to basically trust the presenter that his talk will be germane to the subject area. Most of the time the process works well, but it "can" be "jobbed" just like these guys did.
That would be true of only some conference papers. I have worked on the editorial board of several different conferences and we had a rigorous peer review process and accepted only about 15% of the submitted papers. At some of those conferences, I would rate the peer review as more rigorous than some journals in the field.
Your point is welcome. I was speaking in generalities. There are some, not the majority, but some, that do peer review before presentation. At least in my personal experience (chemistry). out of curiosity, what area(s) did you serve on while on the editorial boards? I don't think the conference in question had peer review, or if it did, it wasn't very strong.
Cordially,
Great! It almost sounds as though the generation of the paper would be relevant to the conference, though.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/14/mit.prank.reut/index.html
""The trio submitted two of the randomly assembled papers to the World Multi-Conference on Systemics, Cybernetics and Informatics (WMSCI), scheduled to be held July 10-13 in Orlando, Florida.
To their surprise, one of the papers -- "Rooter: A Methodology for the Typical Unification of Access Points and Redundancy" -- was accepted for presentation.""
What could be more appropriate than a presentation about a computer generated paper at a conference on Cybernetics and informatics?
The paper is also linked by Art Caplan at http://blog.bioethics.net/
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