Posted on 04/14/2005 11:00:40 PM PDT by RWR8189
Oh.....so, since at one point in this "rally", he wasn't doing anything? Well, the man is obviously a saint. What does this prove? All this paragraph tells me is this jerk was going to get off on a technicality, and the DA dropped the charges. So, since he was behaving at some point.....he couldn't have done it?? Wake up!
I think the technician was deliberately directed to do what he/she did by somebody who had malicious intentions. Believe me, if I ever got arrested I would "lawyer up" before I was even through hearing about my "Miranda rights".
Freedom of expression, like the rest of the Bill of Rights, is under assault in this country.
The one-party system that runs this country has done a brilliant propaganda job at exploting the conservative-liberal divide in this country, and using it to divide and conquer. (I would argue that the *real* divison is along the lines of statist vs. individual). The powers that be have done a really effective job of implementing their statist agenda, regardless of whether a "liberal" or "conservative" is in power.
You have been watching too much Democracy Now. Worse, you are believing the crap they are putting out.
The facts:
19% of the cases are being prosecuted.
27% of the cases dropped for lack of evidence.
64% of the cases were plead "Adjudication Withheld" pending six months good behavior. (You admit you are guilty but the governement is not going to prosecute if you are a good boy for six months. You still have a criminal record.)
Civil disobediance lovers want to put the 64% + 27% together to get the fiction of 91%.
And I have a problem with holding person A responsible for the actions of person B. You apparently do not.
No, but I do have a problem with person A protecting person B by not naming or identifying him.
I have a problem with American citizens being arrested and harassed for crimes they didn't commit. You apparently don't.
I believe that one of the terrorists we have arrested was planning to blow up major cities, and is an American citizen. He didn't do anything...should we set him free? He only wants to kill us....I guess until he succeeds, we should allow him to try. And, I'm pretty sure that John Lindh is an American citizen, he was just hanging out in Afghanistan on the battlefield....but I'm sure he didn't do anything either. Being an American citizen should not mean you can do whatever the hell you want.
"You need to read the thread that was posted here about how they are having to drop 90% of the charges because of the NKVD, I mean NYPD, lying.
Of course, none of the cops will get charged with anything."
Say it isn't so!!!!! Not in the LIBERAL town of New York?????
If that is indeed the case, the individual who gave that direction likely committed multiple state crimes in doing so.
Not only that, but it is also a federal felony to conspire to deprive someone of their Rights under color of law.
Do you have a different copy of the Constitution? Can you tell me where "freedom of expression" is written? It must be under the same heading as "separation of church and state"...
How many? Were they wearing all black clothing?
I personally saw a group of cops standing in a street corner in full riot gear allowing the mob to destroy at will
That is consistent with what I saw in the documentary film.
You're nuts. Comparing protestors to murderers?
He didn't do anything...should we set him free?
If he has committed no crime, then YES! Ever hear of habeas corpus
I'm pretty cynical about the police, but not in regards to protest arrests. I've had friends who loved to go to protests. They admitted that leftie protests are one giant party.... LOTS of drugs and drinking. What is a miracle is that so few were arrested.
What does that have to do with it? You used Seattle as an example of a peaceful protest. Are you now insinuating that those in "black clothing" were not protestors, but secret government agents? Right.....
This particular "peaceful" rock throwing "protestor" was alone.
The vandals, however, moved around in large groups. The police defended themselves and no more until far to late thanks to political correctness run amok in the far leftwing Seattle mayoral office.
The "peaceful protestors" decided to attack the WTO itself and when that failed they tried to destroy as much of the city as possible. Smash world capitalism in the form of your local McDs.
People should have been facing felony assault charges. Instead the mayor came under assault for the little (and too late) that he allowed the police to do.
Not only do you not understand habeas corpus, you don't even understand the Constitution or the principles this country was founded on.
The Bill of Rights doesn't grant anything. It merely enumerates certain Rights that we have. Just because something isn't listed there, doesn't mean we don't have that Right. (See the 9th amendment)
For example, there is no enumerated Right to travel, or to walk down the street without being mugged, or even to breathe! Yet, we all have these Rights.
Like so many Americans, you lack a fundamental understanding of what the principles on which this country was founded.
You need to read more. I suggest starting with the Declaration of Independence. Then read the Constitution. Do some research on a fellow named John Peter Zenger. Then read "Origins of the Bill of Rights" by Levy. Read the early arguments of James Otis. And so on.
I never equated protestors to terrorists. You asked "Or is now okay to arrest Americans and try them for "things they might do"?"
And, I can then only assume, that had the 9/11 terrorists been stopped, that you would be asking for their release. Because, they were merely planning to blow people up, but hadn't actually done anything yet. I suggest you actually read posts before responding with ridiculous comments.
They owe him nothing. he willingly participated in a protest that was being advertised as one which could be violent. The professional protesters were all there, and had crippled horses and injured officers in the past. He knew the risks.
Yes, you have a right to protest peacefully. Unfortunately it was not a peaceful protest, was it.
The legal system worked, (or maybe he came up with a good lie to get off) and so the charges will be dropped. (unless something doesn't pass the sniff test) He isn't owed anything. Those expenses his mother racked up were unnecessary.
The moral of the story here is "don't go looking for trouble, you just might find it".
"Like so many Americans, you lack a fundamental understanding of what the principles on which this country was founded."
Being pompous will not help your viewpoint. Just an observation.
Interesting little thread. :-)
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