Another example is the Greenish Warbler:
Posted on 04/13/2005 6:20:23 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
Sometimes, in particular geographical circumstances, we can see it happening right now.
XenuDidit placemarker
My money is still on the HBX17 series nanobot hive-mind complexes from the planet Tharg. Individually dumb, but collectively the most awesome intelligence in this spiral arm.
Oh? What's the point spread?
Fixed odds, 666-1.
that didnt turn into a different species. that would be an example of microevolution.
The Southern ones can't interbreed. They look different. If a cataclysm had destroyed the Northern areas before we found them we'd definitely regard them as a separate species. Yet we can see the gradations back to them being the same species. Ring species permit us to see the process of speciation in action. The distinction that you make between microevolution and macroevolution is a false one. Macroevolution is simply many generations of microevolution.
Another example is the Greenish Warbler:
Or, you could believe something far more complex than that.
If echo talon ever met anyone who believed that, then certainly that person didn't believe in the theory of evolution. large changes happening by the "poof" mechanism is largely the preserve of supernatural beliefs.
Opps! I meant Herring Gull..
Hmm, two large gene deserts. Well, it looks as if the Good Lord has a plan for us. He's left room to add stuff as needed. It's like soup. A little seasoning, then taste to see what's missing...and add that.
PS. The map might be deceptive because the 'ends' of the ring are the overlapping North Sea range of the Herring Gull and the Lesser Black-Backed Gull. They don't look much alike at all (as gulls go) and cannot interbreed although they can breed with the neighboring gulls to the west or the east, respectively, and on around the ring. These are actually considered six full blown species, although technically they are seven subspecies.
extremely cool.....I really love this stuff. you know the fact that interests me the most...(not from this piece) is that Humans are genetically closer to chimps and bonobo's than any frog specie is to any other frog specie.
I'm guessing that what you mean is all those dubious skulls that the anti-evolutionaries can't agree on the classification of are different species of extinct ape. Firstly you have to realise that is *not* what those with some knowledge on the anti-evolution side are saying; its just something that you are clutching at, right? So that's 5 distinct species (just in that article) closer to human than any modern non-human that you are speculating have gone extinct. (and no fossil record of where modern humans or apes were at that time, curious that). At what point would you give up on that belief? If 10 were found? 15? 20? 50? 100? How perfect do you need the graduated fossil record to be before you start questioning anti-evolution? The fossil record is getting better all the time... Best not rest your faith on no further intermediate finds.
Something that you need to understand is that the fossil record has hardly any modern forms, and the deeper you go down the geological column the less the organisms you find resemble modern forms (deeper = more distant past). Does that fact suggest anything to you? It suggested a lot to many christian biologists, geologists, and paleontologists of the early 19th Century. Darwin just put together into a coherent whole what a lot of scientists were already seeing parts of; and most importantly he put forward natural selection as the driving force. It is not a coincidence that during the voyage of the Beagle Darwin was having the volumes of Lyell's geology works shipped out to him.
I dont care if you had a perfectly preserved "ape-man" i wouldn't believe evolution. I could explain it away as a genetic defect. You have your beliefs and I have mine. In the end when your before the lord you can explain yourself.
Earlier in this thread you appeared to be sure that evolution is not science and that there is no evidence for it. Now you have been shown plenty of evidence, and been told that scientists of all religions (including thousands of christians) the world over consider that ToE meets all the criteria to be considered science (in fact the volume of evidence for ToE places it amongst the most solidly grounded areas of science) you appear to be not interested in the evidence.
Retreat to statement of literal biblical faith placemarker.
As can you. Created in His image with a brain programmed to seek out explanations and you think it is appropriate to stick your head in the sand. Good luck when He asks, "What did you think of all that evidence I provided for evolution?" Your explanation may be found wanting.
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