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At tax time, lots of money under table
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 4/13/05 | Ron Scherer

Posted on 04/13/2005 11:42:59 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: JoeGar; biblewonk
My barber has an interesting business -- no cash register, no checks -- just a bankroll of bills in his pocket. I'm positive he reports every haircut to the IRS.

Sounds like a tattoo artist I know.

61 posted on 04/13/2005 1:53:49 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

JeffAtlanta wrote: This has already been hashed out - the plan is solid. Everyone buys something with their money eventually.

Well, yeah, but lots of people buy services. If goods is taxed, and thus suddenly becomes say twice as expensive relative to services, are you really telling me that consumption wouldn't shift drastically toward services? Why should one be taxed more for the service of making a chair than for the service of providing a massage? Wouldn't it make sense for government not to discriminate between various forms of labour but rather allow consumers to choose in an undistorted market?

And how aout expensive foreign vacations?


62 posted on 04/13/2005 2:46:59 PM PDT by Somewhat Centrist (pun intended)
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To: JeffAtlanta

JeffAtlanta wrote: This has already been hashed out - the plan is solid. Everyone buys something with their money eventually.

Well, yeah, but lots of people buy services. If goods is taxed, and thus suddenly becomes say twice as expensive relative to services, are you really telling me that consumption wouldn't shift drastically toward services? Why should one be taxed more for the service of making a chair than for the service of providing a massage? Wouldn't it make sense for government not to discriminate between various forms of labour but rather allow consumers to choose in an undistorted market?

And how aout expensive foreign vacations?


63 posted on 04/13/2005 2:47:13 PM PDT by Somewhat Centrist
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To: Publius6961
I've consulted with my pastor, and several other Bible scholars and they all concur.

Christ meant to put the supporters of czar and those who meant to trick him into saying something that would get him arrested.

They as you did not understand what Christ meant when he said what he said.

It is very obvious to me and anyone who is of faith.

64 posted on 04/13/2005 2:56:40 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: newgeezer
Obey your civil authorities

OMYGOD.........obey civil authorities?

You cannot be serious.

Obey those who we vote into office......OBEY THEM?........You've got to be kidding.

We as a free people do not obey those we choose as leaders.

They are put there through our vote...and they are to obey US....PERIOD

This idea that we are at the mercy of our government.....is reprehensible.

We are a supposed free people.

We do not obey anyone.We are free.

That is what made our country different from every other country on earth.

65 posted on 04/13/2005 3:02:19 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: newgeezer
"Render to Caesar," folks (Mathew 22:19-21)

Maybe that is why Caesar got assassinated.
66 posted on 04/13/2005 3:50:57 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: LibWhacker

The point that is not made in this article is that the underground economy is 1.5 Trillion dollars!

Do the math: If the federal government constitutes 20% of the economy, and does not collect roughly $300 Billion dollars (I personally think it is a much larger amount, BTW) it believes it is owed, then the underground economy is $1.5 Trillion!

The use of private "tax collectors" to collect revenue should not be allowed in a FRee society. In large part, the FRench revolution was caused by the King's "private tax collectors" arrogant, bullying behavior. None of them survived the Revolution, BTW.

The National Retail Sales Tax is the only way to fairly raise government funds and at the same time tax the underground economy.


67 posted on 04/13/2005 4:02:00 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

She's a typical democrat.


68 posted on 04/13/2005 4:06:24 PM PDT by bfree (Liberals are evil)
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To: biblewonk

I was obviously commenting on who caesar is from a Biblical point of view. Study up on the worthless servants and maybe you'll get it.


69 posted on 04/13/2005 4:33:01 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: biblewonk

Americans don't have rulers, they have responsibility. If you need help understanding, ask and I'll help you.


70 posted on 04/13/2005 5:27:04 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Radioactive
We as a free people do not obey those we choose as leaders.

We The People elected those leaders to enact and uphold the law. The civil authorities are empowered by the People to bring to justice those of us who do not obey the law. Surely we can agree on that.

they are to obey US....PERIOD

LOL. Go defy the civil authorities and tell that to the judge. Let us know how it turns out for you.

We do not obey anyone.We are free.

Be sure and tell that to The Judge -- you know, that "OMYGOD" whose name you throw around like a dirty sock -- when you find yourself standing in front of Him. He said we should obey the civil authority He's put over us. :-)

71 posted on 04/13/2005 8:58:28 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: monkeywrench

Again, if you really think that you must be a very frustrated person. Government is still government like it was 2000 years ago. Human rights have improved but the people had a lot of say even 2000 years ago.


72 posted on 04/14/2005 5:01:12 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jer 7:18 and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven;)
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To: newgeezer

You are decieved..........goodbye looser.


73 posted on 04/14/2005 7:10:04 AM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: Radioactive
You are decieved..........goodbye looser.

Hah. I am most definitely a winner. As for you, what about Chapter 13 of Paul's letter to the Romans?

74 posted on 04/14/2005 8:22:39 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: winodog

"Their solution will be to enact more laws and more taxes and throw more people in debtors prison."

The more you criminalize behavior the more people the government can directly control.


75 posted on 04/14/2005 8:30:34 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: monkeywrench

"we 'the people' are caesar with the govt. in the role of servant."

BWAHAHAHAHA! In your dreams.


76 posted on 04/14/2005 8:37:44 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Zhangliqun

"There is just something utterly immoral about the idea that every time money changes hands it should be taxed."

You're correct and the tax system was implemented and is enforced by immoral parasites.(Flame suit on)


77 posted on 04/14/2005 8:43:28 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: dljordan; biblewonk
If you believe we are endowed by God with unalienable rights. Unalienable means "Not to be separated, given away, or taken away; inalienable". Govt. can't take them, you can't even give them up. Freedom is your responsibility. You are caesar.

I know some people will say, 'well, govt. took this or that', and that's true. But, we're ultimately responsible no matter how you try to get around it-period.

78 posted on 04/14/2005 9:38:43 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench
If you believe we are endowed by God with unalienable rights. Unalienable means "Not to be separated, given away, or taken away; inalienable". Govt. can't take them, you can't even give them up. Freedom is your responsibility. You are caesar.

First, my bible seems to lack that verse. Second, no we are not Caesar. Caesar now lets you vote for the next Caesar, but he's still Caesar.

I know some people will say, 'well, govt. took this or that', and that's true. But, we're ultimately responsible no matter how you try to get around it-period.

Periods are for women.

79 posted on 04/14/2005 9:55:38 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jer 7:18 and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven;)
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To: biblewonk
I'm sorry if this is so far over your head, which it obviously is.

Do you believe you are given certain unalienable rights from God?

80 posted on 04/14/2005 10:02:41 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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