Minuteman project: Big help or big pain?

San Anyonio Express-News ^ | 04/10/2005 | Hernán Rozemberg

[HiJinx]

From the article:

Fred and Robyn Giacoletti own an 800-acre ranch on Border Road in Bisbee Junction that has been in the family for more than a century. As many as 300 migrants traverse their land every day on their way north, they said.

Until now.

Minuteman volunteers have allowed them to finally get a good night's sleep, the Giacolettis said.

"It's unbelievable," Robyn Giacoletti said. "For the first time in 17 years, the dogs haven't been barking all night long. It's been wonderful."

Well, Spiff, in case anyone was wondering...there's confirmation for the e-mail you posted.

[ol' hoghead]

Border Patrol agents... have to get up off their fat behinds and actually PATROL the BORDER.

I'd rather have the BP doing something in AZ than hassling me about nothing on highway 90 in S. Tex.

[MoJo2001]

Our sovereignty continues to be trampled on and yet our government does nothing.

Comforting, huh?

[HiJinx]

James, my man, you need to educate yourself. Do a keyword search on 'Aliens' and check out the firsthand reports from the Minutemen and Minutewomen who are there on that dusty border road.

They tell a totally different story...Andrea Zortman is the one who is lying through her teeth.

If you want to be angry about BP personnel, direct your anger at the right level - aim high.

[HiJinx]

Comforting, huh?

Well, don't just sit there slacking. Make your elected representatives uncomfortable!

[occutegirl]

Fox of Mexico does nothing to break up "Grupo Beta"??


They got Fox's employees of the month award.

[B4Ranch]

The Minutemen are showing us not only how to seal our borders and protect our national security, they are demonstrating how we, the people, can take back our country from the political establishment.

Which fence would you rather cross if you were sneaking past the Border patrol?
Lets make the Ports of Entry the choice of everyone coming to America.

Some questions and ideas for you to think about.
What do you think would happen if a popular football or other sports star was to start off the project by donating 5 or 25 million dollars to build fences on private property that adjoins the border?

Then a few more sport stars each throw in a couple of million of their own money while asking all "True Americans" to send just one hours wages to the FENCE FUND?

Do you think that the politicians would be able to stop this from growing out of control and the voters demanding that the Feds "fence our land"?

Do you think the politicians would listen or ignore a million calls a day to their offices?

Never underestimate what the American people can do when they decide they want to do it.

While I'm at it, we could start a "Name and Shame List" of companies that hire illegals. Name the banks that loan money to a tax number when the illegal doesn't have a phony Social Security number. Name the mortgage companies that favor home loans to illegals, using our money for their downpayment.

If you have ideas or questions, throw them in the pot here. I'm sure there's FReeper who can answer most of the questions or critique your ideas.

Do you have any ideas on how to get this started?

We need to keep the fire burning while the media is watching and reporting.

[Eagles6]

"Mexico's migrant-aid agency, warned the travelers."

I think it's a government agency.

[archy]

Which fence would you rather cross if you were sneaking past the Border patrol?

Having pulled four tours on the Iron Curtain in the Rotz-Weiden sector of the [then] West German border in the 1960s, I'd prefer we have a 5KM zone, as the Germans did, backed up with both a border patrol [Bundesgrenzschutz AND a military presence as needed.

I was fond of their border patrol vehicles, too. The ones with the 20mm cannon were particularly well suited for the job.

[Eagles6]

What really burns me is the arrogance of Fox and accomplices. Didn't we bail out mexico to the tune of 40 BILLION dollars in 1982? They have all the makings of a first world country but due to endemic corruption they can't even provide running water to the populace. I imagine that oil is the only reason that GW puts up with this crap.

[Tactical]

I've worked with hundreds of Border Patrol Agents in the field, since way back in 1972. No I'm not a BP Agent, but I can say the Yuma and El Centro Sectors are a bunch of hard working troops.

Those dudes will park their patrol vehicles, and pick up a trail of illegals and start walking out into the middle of nowhere, tracking them down. While one or two of them are doing that, other Agents are coming at the illegals from the opposite direction on foot, or staked out in the vehicles.

They come to work all spit shined, and in less than an hour, they are covered from head to toe in sand and and sweated out uniforms. These guys don't sit around on their butts, they bust their butts. On top of that, they make themselves available to support local agencies, that are handling a major call and need backup. They've helped me and the people I worked with hundreds of times.

It's hard , physically demanding work, but they are out there in 115 degree plus heat, all day or in the cold-assed desert nights.

Management, may have their remarks dictated to them by the Washington higher ups, but the guys in the field have their own. Before I'd ever consider putting them into the same group as the BP's management, I'd like to hear what the BP agents association has to say in behalf of the actual agents.

My guess is that the Minutemen Project may be setting off a few sensors, but the BP Agents know where they have their camps setup and ignore those sensors, knowing the Minutemen people will call and report something in the area. So the Minutemen are actually saving the BP from having to respond to a rabbit setting off a sensor.

As far as evidence being destroyed, the Minutemen may walk over tracks left by illegals, but it's not all that hard to pick the tracks up again alittle farther out. And, it wouldn't surprise me if the BP agents, just ask the Minutemen people to not walk in the drag areas, so the BP can get a good look at shoe designs and sizes.

How hard is that for each to work together? Not very!

So hang on guys, don't bitch the agents, they are caught in the middle of all of this. It's the staff management that bears watching.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[henderson field]

The agents don't want to be supervised. They don't want to be accountable. They just want to shirk their responsibilities and be left alone. Some of the Border Patrol are taking bribes from illegal migrants. The Minutemen are changing all of this. That's why they are not welcome by the Border Patrol. It is a corrupt organization full of corrupt people. The Border Patrol is "working" for itself. The Minutemen are working for everyone in America.

[janetgreen]

I imagine that oil is the only reason that GW puts up with this crap.

I imagine he has been given MANY shares of Pemex to sell America out.

[rpgdfmx]

So this agency aids illegal immigration??? Unbelievable No... that agency assists people lost in the desert, and tries to convince them NOT to cross the border. Leaving your own country isn't against the law anywhere except maybe North Korea or Cuba. Grupo Beta is mostly a "search and rescue" squad, more paramedics than cops.

[USMC Veteran]

Last week, hundreds of them — some armed — were expected to begin patrolling Arizona border areas for undocumented immigrants, an exercise some fear could attract racist crackpots and lead to violence.

Why does every article I read use the same catch phrase, 'some armed'? The ones that are, do so legally. They are properly trained in gun safety. Many are former military or police. Then, they use the term undocumented. Every federal law dealing with immigration uses the term 'illegal alien'. 'Undocumented' is an attempt to sanitize a politically charged situation. As for the racists, if they're found, they must be made to leave the area. If they do harm, they must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[Nitro]

This is easy, big help to Americans........

big pain to liberals.

I have said it before and I will say it right now....

America was born with a gun in her hand and she will die if it is taken away!!!

[Navy Patriot]

Yes, it's working, but more than that it is getting more attention focused on the problem.

[spodefly]

BTTT

[Ajnin]

There's a lot of us that take a lot of sh*t to do what the taxpayers pay us to do. Why don't you get off your fat ass and join the Minute Men.

[Americanexpat]

Thank you. You can´t color the everybody in an organization with the same brush.

And yes, I support the MM program so don´t start your gripin.