Posted on 04/09/2005 3:59:58 PM PDT by churchillbuff
Is there a central Christian authority? Is someone sitting on Peter's throne with the unquestioned authority to determine whether or not a belief is Christian or not?
By your logic, I'd expect to see you preparing for conversion to Catholicism.
You asked for my take on it and I gave it to you.
Did the Nazarenes get people to give them their life savings by telling them that Christ would be returning soon? Yes or no?
Did Christ actually come (or come back) when they claimed he would? Yes or no?
Perhaps this was a mistake on their part based on genuine belief or perhaps it was a scam. How can we know for sure?
Most important is the fact is that Christ did not come (or come back) when the Nazarenes and Paul insisted he would. Does this have negative implications with regard to the veracity of the Gospels? I think it does. You undoubtedly disagree.
Matthew 16:28: Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
AK wrote:Except we don't. We don't accept that Jesus or any other self-declared Messiah has fulfilled the prophecies.
The figures I hear are that a million plus Jews do accept Jesus Christ as the prophecied Messiah. Not that all of them came to that belief from studying bible prophecy. Have you? You don't have to of course, but that fits into this discussion and the argument I am making. And after all it is the word of G-d, of the Jewish people and He put those very prophecies there to be read.
AK wrote:In fact, Christians even acknowledge that, promising us that well, he didn't have a chance the last time, but'll have a second chance at some point in the future.
Christians do not acknowledge that Alter. He will return yes, but to take His people remaining and then to establish His Kingdom on earth.
AK wrote: We're exposed to your beliefs, we're familiar with them, and in many ways, we respect them. Just don't force them down our throat.
I understand it may feel that way, but Christians are zealous because of Who they know and want to give others every opportunity to also know Him. All I am suggesting is that the truth is the truth and that anyone who is serious of knowing that truth [the truth of G-d] has to research G-d's word for themselves because just accepting the opinion of someone else, anyone else is the greatest of mistakes on such a important truth...the most important truth of all! Now maybe you have done the research and have come to the conclusion you have come to. But if you haven't done the research yourself and are simply accepting your beliefs based on what others have to say then you are not giving yourself the opportunity to even discover the truth of what G-d has written concerning the Messiah.
What do you have to lose?
Then why don't you answer the first one? If the crucifixion really happened, how is it possible that no one remembered year it was?
That last message was supposed to read "what year it was"
My understanding is that it depends on the circumstances. A person of Jewish lineage who becomes Christian for a reason other than duress isn't Jewish. They are two distinct religions, with actually very little in common.
There is no Biblical basis for Peter having a Throne on Earth. The only earthly throne mentioned in Scripture is the Throne of David, which at the present time appears to be sitting vacant. In light of God's covenant with the Jews, why do you think that the Throne of David is vacant right now?
Are agnostic or atheistic Jews who use persuasion to attempt to convert practicing Jews to their systems of unbelief apostates?
I don't have hatred for Christians. Interesting that rejection of your belief system is hatred. You reject mine, I reject yours. Doesn't mean I hate you. I just have no use for your religion as you have no use for mine.
The God of Abraham, Moses and David is also the God of Jesus, Peter and Paul. Allah is a conglomeration of gods that neither devout Christian nor devout Jew would ever worship.
A Christian is a broad term it really is not a religion. It means one thing and one thing only that you believe Jesus is the Son Of GOD and the saviour of the world.
Religions are Baptist, Lutheran Jehovah Witness..
Just in case you didn't know...
Being Jewish is a broad term. Just as Christianity and Islam have lots of sects that have little in common, so does Judaism. You have to believe only 13 things:
1. God exists.
2. God is one and unique.
3. God is incorporeal.
4. God is eternal.
5. Prayer is to be directed to God alone.
6. The words of the prophets are true.
7. Moses was the greatest prophet, and his prophecies are true.
8. The Torah was given to Moses.
9. There will be no other Torah.
10. God knows the thoughts and deeds of men.
11. God will reward the good and punish the wicked.
12. The Messiah will come.
13. The dead will be resurrected.
Note that that list is incompatible with Christianity.
Amen, sister!
And why would they bother to not use real blood, if it were pagan? Why only wine? Real blood would have been much cheaper and much more in the spirit of paganism.
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Many Christians wouldn't have much of a quarrel with that list. Christianity was inherent in the message of Judaism before it got hijacked by rabbinism. The physical body of Jesus is something that many Christians view (on biblical grounds) as a tent that was created by God for God to occupy, rather than being inherent in God by nature.
It's not God who requires "2 tries" -- it is His people. The proud wanted a political savior. Jesus sadly disappointed them. The humble expected a spiritual savior. Jesus more than met their need.
next time add a MEGA PROSELTYZING SOUL SNATCHING MISSIONARY BARF ALERT.
JEWS cant be for Gzuz, its impossible. either your a Jew who believes in one god (supreme, eternal, ephermal, with no physical manifestation whatsoever) or your Christian and you believe in the trinity, etc etc.
I'm curious as to why you spell "Jesus" as "Gzuz"? I've seen His Name spelled in several ways, but this one seems to be disrespectful. If it isn't, I would like to know, so that I don't misjudge someone's motives for spelling it thusly.
On a lesser note, was there something deceptive about the title "Jay Sekulow: How a Jewish Lawyer from Brooklyn Came to Believe in Jesus" that you think requires a vomit-associated alert? Indeed it is a conversion story, but not one that promotes conversion. Do you have a problem with a lawyer who fights for Judeo-Christian principles? He would seem uniquely qualified to me.
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