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Ignoring the Obvious - History breeds intelligence.
NRO ^ | April 08, 2005 | Daniel C. Twining

Posted on 04/09/2005 2:05:54 PM PDT by F14 Pilot

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1 posted on 04/09/2005 2:05:57 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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Democracies Do Not Make War on One Another....or Do They?
2 posted on 04/09/2005 2:24:39 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: F14 Pilot

This no WMD crap kills me. One has to believe that Saddam possesed enough and only enough chemicals to wipe out the Kurds and was too damn stupid to make any more! Meanwhile Palestinians are constructing crude WMD with pesticides.


3 posted on 04/09/2005 2:30:59 PM PDT by Bommer
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Well it should not kill you because they had no ready to use stock piles of WMD as was claimed. All reports endorsed by Bush said so. It is up to you to accept fact this and move on.


4 posted on 04/09/2005 2:42:30 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Bommer

The regime had WMD. The cache described by the UN was small enough to be hidden in a single semi truck. Now we can't find it so, gee, it must have never existed in the first place? Bull. We know he had them, we just don't know what he did with them.


5 posted on 04/09/2005 3:33:47 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: Destro
Well it should not kill you because they had no ready to use stock piles of WMD as was claimed.

So then why did the UN have inspectors in the first place?

6 posted on 04/09/2005 4:27:49 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: Bommer

It'as strange that it wasn't that long ago that Saddam's own people were saying that it all went over the hill to Syria for safe keeping. Just like all the new hardware that they have been uncovering buried in the desert.


7 posted on 04/09/2005 6:36:04 PM PDT by snowman1
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To: snowman1

Nothing to prove your claim was uncovered in the sand - nothing went to Syria.


8 posted on 04/09/2005 6:58:14 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Bommer

The UN inspectors did their job and destroyed the WMD long before we invaded. When we invaded we doubted this but that was Saddam's fault for his resistance and our own intelligence failure's fault in trusting biased and bad intel sources.


9 posted on 04/09/2005 6:59:44 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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The UN inspectors did their job and destroyed the WMD long before we invaded.

UN inspectors were there only to make sure the stockpiles were destroyed, they did not destroy them themselves. So a barrel of camel crap marked anthrax was incinerated and the inspectors checked it off

10 posted on 04/09/2005 8:50:45 PM PDT by Bommer
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No - you wish it was so - every report from American investigations concluded what I wrote to be the actual scenario.


11 posted on 04/09/2005 9:01:45 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Link to ANY report backing up what your talking about?


12 posted on 04/09/2005 9:10:42 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: Bommer
Enjoy the readimg - seems you have done little of that over the last 4 years: Unclassified Version of the Report of the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction

But the Iraq Survey Group -- set up to look for weapons of mass destruction or evidence of them in the country -- issued a final report saying it saw no weapons or no evidence that Iraq was trying to reconstitute them. The commission's report said the principal cause of the intelligence failures was the intelligence community's "inability to collect good information about Iraq's WMD programs, serious errors in analyzing what information it could gather and a failure to make clear just how much of its analysis was based on assumptions rather than good evidence." The report said analysts were "too wedded" to assumptions about Saddam Hussein's intentions.

13 posted on 04/09/2005 9:21:01 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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Nice try, but looks like the UN was supervising, not destroying and not doing too well at that. Which reminds me. If the UN did did destroy all the WMD's, why send in UN inspectors looking for weapons they "supposedly" destroyed in the first place?

Published on Monday, March 28, 2005 by the Associated Press
Missiles, Microbes Missing in Iraq
U.N. Outsiders See Only 'Sliver of Mess,' Arms Chief Says
Stolen Parts May Help Bomb Building Elsewhere

by Charles J. Hanley
 

Dozens of ballistic missiles are missing in Iraq. Vials of dangerous microbes are unaccounted for. Sensitive sites, once under U.N. seal, stand gutted, their arms-making gear hauled off by looters, or by arms-makers.

All the world now knows that Iraq had no threatening weapons of mass destruction programs. But two years after U.S. teams began their futile hunt, Iraq has something else: a landscape of ruined military plants, unanswered questions and loose ends — some potentially lethal, a review of official reporting shows.

Chief U.N. arms inspector Demetrius Perricos said outsiders are seeing only a "sliver" of the mess inside Iraq.

Satellite images, he said, indicate at least 90 sites in the old Iraqi military-industrial complex have been pillaged.

U.S. teams paint a similar picture: "There is nothing but a concrete slab at locations where once stood plants or laboratories," the Iraq Survey Group said in its final report. The report from inside Iraq, 986 pages thick, is often thin on relevant hard information and silent in critically important areas.

Just days after it was issued last fall, for example, news leaked that tonnes of high-grade explosives had been looted a year earlier from the Iraqi complex at Al Qaqaa. It was a potential boon to Iraq's car bombers, but the U.S. document did not report this dangerous loss.

Similarly, the main body of the U.S. report discusses Iraq's Samoud 2s, but doesn't note that many of these ballistic missiles haven't been found. Only via an annex table does the report disclose that as many as 36 Samouds may be unaccounted for in the aftermath of the U.S.-led invasion.

Seventy-five of the liquid-fuelled missiles were destroyed under U.N. oversight before the war, because they too often exceeded the 150-kilometre range allowed for Iraqi missiles under the 12-year-old U.N. inspection regime.

After the U.N. inspectors were evacuated on the eve of the U.S. invasion, they lost track of the remaining missiles.

The Iraq Survey Group, which ended its arms hunt in December, says a complete accounting of the Samouds "may not be possible due to various factors."

Besides the Samouds, up to 34 Fatah missiles — a similar but solid-fuelled weapon — are also unaccounted for. And more than 600 missile engines may be missing; the U.S. document simply doesn't report their status.

Perricos, in an interview at his New York headquarters, expressed concern about the missiles.

"If they have been destroyed, somebody should know they've been destroyed or not. Have they gone somewhere?" he asked.

The worry is not that Iraqi insurgents might field the missiles, he said, but that advanced Samoud or Fatah parts might secretly boost missile-building programs elsewhere in the region or beyond.

"The engines can easily be sold for a lot of money for the insurgency," he said.

Asked about gaps in Iraq Survey Group reporting — specifically the silence on the Al Qaqaa explosives — a CIA official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, replied: "Our focus and goal was to find WMD, not conventional explosives."

Led by CIA special adviser Charles Duelfer, the Iraq Survey Group discredited Bush administration claims of an Iraqi WMD threat by determining that Baghdad's programs to build nuclear, chemical and biological weapons were shut down in 1991 under U.N. inspection.

But Samouds and Fatahs are only the biggest items on the "unaccounted-for" list. The smallest are bits of bacterial growth for biological weapons.

The Iraqis said this bioweapons material was destroyed years ago, but not all is documented. Inspectors simply don't know whether vials of seed stock — including deadly anthrax and botulinum A bacteria — may have been used to nurture more batches that are unaccounted for.

The U.S. arms hunters' findings further cloud the picture on another item with a dead-end paperwork trail: 155-millimetre mustard-gas shells.

At least 13,000 shells filled with mustard were destroyed under U.N. supervision in the 1990s, but 550 were never found although Iraqis told U.N. inspectors they were destroyed in a fire.

Now the U.S. teams say an imprisoned Iraqi official told them a Special Republican Guard unit retained the chemical rounds, and Iraq was about to declare them to U.N. inspectors when the Americans invaded.

© 2005 The Associated Press

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14 posted on 04/09/2005 9:34:28 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: Destro

Good one. The popular idea may be rooted in sand.


15 posted on 04/09/2005 9:38:57 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: Bommer

Oh so Bush is a lackey of the UN? Enjoy your fantasy.


16 posted on 04/09/2005 10:03:44 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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Guess so. You seem to be just as gullible as Bush! UN is pure and honest as the driven snow.....after the huskees tread through it! Scott Ridder a pedophile can't find any weapons! Theres some credibility! No mass rapes in Chad from UN peace keepers. No oil for food scandal. Kofi's son taking kickbacks, but Kofi knows nothing of it. Hey need some NJ swamp land? Iraq’s WMDs: Lost and Found Saddam had ’em.
17 posted on 04/09/2005 10:11:58 PM PDT by Bommer
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The UN does not control the Bush Commission or George Bush. You live in a fantasy world of your own making. You asked for a link - I will ask you a link back showing where Bush was cowed by the UN on this report.
18 posted on 04/09/2005 10:16:55 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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I asked for a link stating that the UN DESTROYED weapons. I gave you a link that showed that they supervised thier destuction! Bush BTW didn't bend to the UN report, Bush cowed to his own intelligence report from the CIA and Congress knowing he couldn't win this fight! He cut his losses and that was that! That does not change the fact that the weapons were there, otherwise why would the UN send in inspectors to find what was supposedly not there? Why insist that Iraq conform to UN 1441 idf they had no weapons? Why did Saddam refuse to let inspectors into restricted sites that were on the UN list? Like everyone else, I believe the Wmds were hussled into Syria!


19 posted on 04/10/2005 10:50:24 AM PDT by Bommer
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Prove to me that Bush was cowed then to prove your conspiracy theory.
20 posted on 04/10/2005 11:22:40 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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