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Tactical shift weighed for Social Security. Senate GOP may drop portion of Bush plan
Boston Globe ^ | April 9, 2005 | David Espo

Posted on 04/09/2005 8:34:40 AM PDT by FairOpinion

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As a recipient of SS I say privitize. I wish I could have privitized when I was young and I actually fought for it but couldn't get anyone to listen to me. Fortunately I also have other pension plans coming to me.

All of you young people should invest as much as you can in private accounts NOW! Even if they privitize SS later, because if they don't privitize SS will fail and you will be left holding the bag.

Ever been snipe hunting? No? Well, here hold this bag for me while I go run the snipe to you. SS is the snipe and the workers of this country are the bag holders. PRIVITIZE NOW. Let the republican congress grow a set of Ba*** for a change. How hard can it be to do the right think?

21 posted on 04/09/2005 9:16:16 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

Bush's plan is sound: it will NOT impact those 55 or older, and I presume there will be a gradual change for those 54 and younger, depending on their age, so that they can accumulate assets in a personal account.

Without personal accounts, the benefits WILL have to be decreased AND taxes increased.

Another bit of info from the IBD article:


"Unfortunately, Republicans don't grasp this. They think they have to run away from reform — or do what they've done in the past, including raising taxes and cutting benefits.

Those measures have failed — repeatedly. Since Social Security's start in 1937, payroll taxes have been raised 24 times. The last big hike, in 1983, was supposed to take care of the problem for a century. Now, just 17 years later, we're told the crisis will hit in 2017."

http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues01.asp?v=4/9


22 posted on 04/09/2005 9:19:11 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Bernard

Man, that question will get you banned from the press pool.


23 posted on 04/09/2005 9:23:17 AM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: FairOpinion
Yes I agree. I think republicans should really be pressuring their congress critters to get this done and pass Bush's plan. Why can't they just do what they know is right and forget about poll?

One of the things that makes Bush so great is his ignoring polls for the most part and pushing the agendas he feels are right. Our senators and representatives need to do this for a change, it would be refreshing.

24 posted on 04/09/2005 9:24:55 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

Especially since the polls are more push-polls, where people don't know and aren't told, that benefits will NOT be cut for anyone over 55.

The media found a new way to skew the news: with phony polls.

Once people are told the truth, they are in favor of Bush's plan.

Investor's Business Daily did a poll, where people favored Bush's plan 50/40.

"They fear the political consequences of acting boldly to pass reform — that is, actually showing some leadership — when polls seem to show many Americans oppose it. And they've expended precious little political capital to sell the idea.

But, as we say, Americans only seem to oppose Social Security reform, as a new IBD/TIPP Poll shows. We asked 853 Americans whether they'd back a Social Security reform plan like Bush's — one that includes no cuts in benefits for those over 55 and voluntary personal accounts for younger workers.

When we asked, people supported Bush's plan, 50% to 40%. Real reform sells."

http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues01.asp?v=4/9


25 posted on 04/09/2005 9:30:47 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: stylin19a; Bernard
So if private investments are removed, where's the reform?

Man, that question will get you banned from the press pool.

The answer, though not the one we want, is simple.  Solvency.  Remember brother Gore's "lock box?"

The Democrats are such a threat to vital reform because their objections are so basic and the average person can understand them.

26 posted on 04/09/2005 9:38:44 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: William Creel

It's already insolvent. We should let it die, or do everything we can to put a stake through it's blood-sucking heart, and shoot it with a silver bullet. History will no doubt look back at Social Security and determine it was an absolutely horrendous idea.


27 posted on 04/09/2005 9:53:05 AM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: livius
"Unfortunately the GOP has let the Dems seize the issue and define it on their terms."

They don't call it the "stupid party" for nothing.
28 posted on 04/09/2005 9:54:09 AM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Racehorse
"But, even without the SS safety net, you come against the problem where many young people would rather spend their money on present wants rather than future needs."

Absolutely true. To be truly free, we must also be free to make mistakes. We must also resist the temptation to bail out the people who are stupid enough to spend every last dime during their youth and middle age. We consistently reward irresponsible behavior with social programs and penalize the responsible, because they're the only ones who can pay for all this socialism. Time to stop the maddness. Let everyone, every family, fall or rise on their own merits, and on their own earning/saving/spending habits.
29 posted on 04/09/2005 10:00:53 AM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: FairOpinion; All

Considering the source of this story .. I believe this is nothing more than wishful thinking on the Globe's part.

Also .. the ultra-left media people take a statement from a RINO that "they" [the RINO] thinks the GOP may have to drop this or that .. and then the media blows it into a story that this is being given serious consideration - when it's not.

I've watched these people do this over and over - and then all of a sudden a real CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN stands up and says - that's not even being considered.

This trick is done to make it appear there is a problem within the ranks. This is so transparent.

This is the media game they play - TRYING ONE MORE TIME TO INFLUENCE PUBLIC OPINION TO THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET - AND MAKE YOU THINK THE REPUBS ARE CAVING TO THE DEMS ONCE AGAIN.

AIN'T SO!! Please don't fall for it.


30 posted on 04/09/2005 10:32:13 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Racehorse; stylin19a; Bernard
Gore's "lock box?"

Gore's lockbox would still be full of meaningless slips of paper. That's what the Democrats and Republicans are both dancing around. The party that reveals the true nature of the Emperor's clothes and can EDUCATE the public, will gain the upper hand.

But first, they need the guts to tell the whole truth.

31 posted on 04/09/2005 10:46:28 AM PDT by Go_Raiders ("Being able to catch well in a crowd just means you can't get open, that's all." -- James Lofton)
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To: Go_Raiders
Gore's lockbox would still be full of meaningless slips of paper.

Ah, but those are not simply meaningless slips of paper, nor are they merely worthless IOUs.

Pity us should our fellow citizens ever come to believe you are right.

32 posted on 04/09/2005 11:00:43 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Don Corleone
The Republicans do not know how to RULE/LEAD.

Senate Republicans are just as interested as the Dems in ensuring people remain reliant on government. They're not incompetent - they just never believed in conservative principles in the first place.

33 posted on 04/09/2005 11:10:48 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

Senate Rep lose GONADS here comes a tax increase.


34 posted on 04/09/2005 11:53:27 AM PDT by jocko12
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To: tet68
As my dear departed father used to say, "Hope? Son, why don't you crap in one hand and hope in the other, and see which fills up first?"

Your dad was a smart man. Also a great source for a tag line. : )

35 posted on 04/09/2005 12:46:06 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return With Honor")
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To: CyberAnt

I hadn't posted yet to this thread because I was just skimming the headlines at the time---

But, just like you said, I am the worst when it comes to falling for the media and the dems putting out this kind of news which is intended (I suppose) to dishearten republican voters and keep them away from poles, or write off their congresscritters---

Like I said, I a fall for it everytime because I have seen so few times where the GOP reps. and senators have actually stood up to the dems----

I am less inclined to believe the press and dems when it comes to BUSH because he has proven to go against what is said and go against poll results etc., therefore, I hope Bush calls all of the GOP Senators and give them a tongue lashing about their seeming lack of spine!!!!


36 posted on 04/09/2005 1:14:26 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Go_Raiders; Racehorse; stylin19a
Absolutely. I hear "lock-box", I think somebody on the federal payroll has just buried a coffee-can full of money in the backyard behind the Treasury building to hold until I retire.

I don't associated "lock-box" with a promise from me to me to pay me some day. That sound more like a New Year's resolution.

But the original statement stands. Unless there is a major change in the process, there is no reform - there's just a change in tax or spending rates.

37 posted on 04/09/2005 1:36:56 PM PDT by Bernard (Memory is the second thing to go. I forget what goes first.)
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To: FairOpinion
The Ponzi scheme works for a while too. just ask Ida Mae Fuller- $25000 for $25 bucks is a Hillary-like investment gain.
38 posted on 04/09/2005 1:44:44 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (The MRS wanted to go to an expensive place to eat so I took her to the gas station.)
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To: FairOpinion
If a private retirement company reneged on its promises, we could take it to court. If Congress reneges on its promises, there's no judicial course of action whatsoever. Vital to any Ponzi scheme, like Social Security, is the ability to recruit as many suckers as possible. In 1999, a little noticed part of President Clinton's plan to "save" Social Security was to force 5 million previously exempted employees into Social Security. If they were forced into Social Security, it would have created billions in additional revenue. Guess what. Twelve senators, including five Democrats -- Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) and Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) -- descended on the White House to demand that President Clinton not support forcing 5 million of their constituents into Social Security. They warned of the adverse impact on employees in terms of lower rates of return and lost flexibility. -Walter Williams
39 posted on 04/09/2005 1:48:40 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (The MRS wanted to go to an expensive place to eat so I took her to the gas station.)
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To: Txsleuth

"... this kind of news which is intended (I suppose) to dishearten republican voters and keep them away from poles, or write off their congresscritters."

Exactly!!


40 posted on 04/09/2005 1:53:42 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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