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A Pessah sacrifice in Jerusalem
Jerusalem Post ^ | Apr. 8, 2005 | Mati Wagner

Posted on 04/08/2005 9:46:25 AM PDT by Alouette

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To: AAABEST
Given the fact that He's the second person of the Triune God, He can do whatever it is that pleases Him, including the creation of a new and everlasting convenant - which IMO is the only hope for the insane asylum known as the Middle East, both in a spiritual and temporal sense.

Too bad the "old testament" doesn't say a word about this unless one already accepts the "new testament" right off the bat and allegorizes the prophecies based on his preconceptions.

BTW, haven't you heard? G-d changed his mind again and founded a religion called islam. Then he replaced it with sikhism. And so on and so on. You are a hypocrite for insisting the Torah be temporary (when it says no such thing anywhere) and then wanting to make your "new convenant" permanent.

Putting religion aside for a moment, does anyone believe that this sort of nonsense (from both sides) is productive or logical?

Leave our `Avodah threads alone. Go study the apes you believe you were descended from.

21 posted on 04/08/2005 11:29:06 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayivra' 'Eloqim 'et Ha'Adam betzalmo, betzelem 'Eloqim bara' 'oto; zakhar uneqevah bara' 'otam.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Wow, ZC, you may be the first Jew EVER to consider "higher criticism" to be a negative thing. A truly stunning achievement. And "evolutionism"? Beautiful. Where do you get this stuff?


22 posted on 04/08/2005 11:39:48 AM PDT by Natty Boh
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To: AAABEST
I think it best to assert that G-d is One (echad), who is changeless, and that Messiah will elaborate upon Torah but if he is [imperfect tense] the prophet "like Moses" he cannot subvert Torah or he is no prophet. Scripture portrays the new covenant as simply the inscription of the eternal covenant of stone upon the no longer stony but enlivened hearts of the "children of the living G-d"
23 posted on 04/08/2005 11:47:28 AM PDT by yatros from flatwater
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To: Zionist Conspirator
PS! Always a pleasure. You sound upset... again.

I've seen you advocate some odd ideas, but don't tell me that you're now pro- animal sacrifice.


The Prodigal Son (Rembrandt 1669)

24 posted on 04/08/2005 11:56:35 AM PDT by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: yatros from flatwater
Most excellent and well written post. Right on the money and scripturally mature.

I'm not sure what it has to do with anything I've posted, but it was beautifully written.

25 posted on 04/08/2005 12:04:07 PM PDT by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: Natty Boh
Wow, ZC, you may be the first Jew EVER to consider "higher criticism" to be a negative thing. A truly stunning achievement. And "evolutionism"? Beautiful. Where do you get this stuff?

I'm a Noachide, not a Jew. What's your problem?

More evidence that we need Rabbinic civil authority over all Jews (and eventually Noachides as well, of course!).

26 posted on 04/08/2005 12:25:07 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayivra' 'Eloqim 'et Ha'Adam betzalmo, betzelem 'Eloqim bara' 'oto; zakhar uneqevah bara' 'otam.)
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To: AAABEST
I've seen you advocate some odd ideas, but don't tell me that you're now pro- animal sacrifice.

When was I not pro-animal sacrifice?

Kindly keep of threads you don't like. It will make life less unpleasant for everyone involved.

27 posted on 04/08/2005 12:27:28 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayivra' 'Eloqim 'et Ha'Adam betzalmo, betzelem 'Eloqim bara' 'oto; zakhar uneqevah bara' 'otam.)
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To: AAABEST
Most excellent and well written post. Right on the money and scripturally mature.

I'm not sure what it has to do with anything I've posted, but it was beautifully written.

Since he/she refuted your position beautifully, I'm glad you think so.

28 posted on 04/08/2005 12:29:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayivra' 'Eloqim 'et Ha'Adam betzalmo, betzelem 'Eloqim bara' 'oto; zakhar uneqevah bara' 'otam.)
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To: AAABEST
"Putting religion aside for a moment, does anyone believe that this sort of nonsense (from both sides) is productive or logical?"

God gave TWO covanents of forgiveness, one of sacrifice and adherance to the written law, the other of grace and freedom from the fulfilled law. Choose one.

29 posted on 04/08/2005 12:33:40 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Red Badger
It would present a huge problem. There are now literally millions more Jews than there ever were in Isreal in the Temple's time. If they were to all be required to bring a sacrificial lamb to the City, then the logistics alone would be inconcievable.

I wonder if a sacrificial lamb would count as a "carry on" bag, or if I'd have to check him through, in the baggage compartment?

The smokes would cover the entire city (would smell really good, though).

Mmmmmmmmm... Lamb chops! Mutton! Yum!

The lambs would have to already be there for the event because of quarantine of importation animals.

Rats! I hadn't even thought of that...

I can imagine the day of major sacrifices in the ancient days were extremely packed with people, animals and continuous flow of blood and scarificial smoke.

It would be quite a mess. I've been to the American Royal BBQ Contest, and this would be even bigger!

I couldn't even begin to imagine the chaos of trying to resume sacrifices in today's political climate. PETA would go berserk. The VEGANS would be up in arms. The PA would be baffeled.......

Frankly, I'd LOVE to see the conniption fits put on by these people!

Mark

30 posted on 04/08/2005 12:40:05 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
When was I not pro-animal sacrifice?

I'm assuming that you don't realize how comical it sounds when someone states "When was I not pro-animal sacrifice?"

31 posted on 04/08/2005 12:41:52 PM PDT by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Whew! For a minute there I thought there might actually be Jews out there who frowned upon challenging the dictates of authority and would not permit criticism. Glad to see that's not the case.

Good luck on your Rabbinic civil authority project -- you might have better luck herding Viking cats.


32 posted on 04/08/2005 12:47:48 PM PDT by Natty Boh
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To: AAABEST
I'm assuming that you don't realize how comical it sounds when someone states "When was I not pro-animal sacrifice?"

I had assumed that you were a serious person, albeit an ignorant one. Now I see that your only desire it to "push my buttons" and that you don't have anything serious to say.

Farewell.

33 posted on 04/08/2005 12:54:16 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayivra' 'Eloqim 'et Ha'Adam betzalmo, betzelem 'Eloqim bara' 'oto; zakhar uneqevah bara' 'otam.)
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To: MarkL

Now you've made me hungry. Perhaps this lamb sacrifice idea has some merit after all.


34 posted on 04/08/2005 12:54:41 PM PDT by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: Natty Boh
Whew! For a minute there I thought there might actually be Jews out there who frowned upon challenging the dictates of authority and would not permit criticism. Glad to see that's not the case.

Good luck on your Rabbinic civil authority project -- you might have better luck herding Viking cats.

I'm sorry you're so ignorant of your religion that you think that higher criticism is Jewish. Perhaps you should think of attending an 'Aish HaTorah Discovery seminar?

35 posted on 04/08/2005 12:56:04 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayivra' 'Eloqim 'et Ha'Adam betzalmo, betzelem 'Eloqim bara' 'oto; zakhar uneqevah bara' 'otam.)
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To: Natty Boh
ZC, you may be the first Jew EVER to consider "higher criticism" to be a negative thing.

What makes the "higher criticism" a positive thing?

The so-called "higher criticism" school of "biblical scholarship" was invented by 19th-Century atheists and anti-Semites (not to mention Christian-haters) for the purpose of discrediting millennia of scriptural scholarship done for the purpose of revealing the Truth of G-D-given scriptures.

The "Reform branch of Judaism" adheres to the "higher criticism." I have asked many times, and have never received a coherent answer: "If you think that the Torah is just a fictitious hoax perpetrated by a conspiracy, why do you make such a ceremony out of Torah readings in your temples?"

36 posted on 04/08/2005 2:05:40 PM PDT by Alouette (If I owned Hell and I owned Brooklyn, I'd live in Hell and rent out Brooklyn.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Regarding your tagline: G-D created Eve, even before He removed her from Adam's body.


37 posted on 04/08/2005 2:09:03 PM PDT by Alouette (If I owned Hell and I owned Brooklyn, I'd live in Hell and rent out Brooklyn.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

"Perhaps you should think of attending an 'Aish HaTorah Discovery seminar"?

Oh man. First Alouette tells me that I need to go to shul more than once a year and now you want me to go to a seminar? You guys sound like my sister.

Anyway, it's time to stop the unofficial slacking and get with the officially sanctioned slacking. Gut shabbos, Noah follower.


38 posted on 04/08/2005 2:14:01 PM PDT by Natty Boh
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I had assumed that you were a serious person, albeit an ignorant one.

Well I actually was being serious when I stated that I found it comical for someone to ask so matter-of-factly "When was I not pro-animal sacrifice?"

You make me feel as though I should apologize for my lack of awareness of your position on animal sacrifice.

This said I don't strive to be thought of as a "serious person". As a non-Jewish, pro-Jewish, anti-Christian, pro-animal sacrifice (and very tempermental) person who runs a website called "redneck rastafarian" are you attempting to be thought of as a "serious person"?

That's a rhetorical question. The only reconcilable answer would be "no".

39 posted on 04/08/2005 3:55:45 PM PDT by AAABEST (Kyrie eleison - Christe eleison †)
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To: AAABEST
An defunct old testament ritual being performed

Once again, biblical ignorance and bigotry rears its ugly head on FreeRepublic. Please explain when this "defunct ritual" ceased being ETERNAL - and by whose decree (other than the pagan sun worshipper, Constantine) did it cease being ETERNAL?
40 posted on 04/08/2005 4:00:58 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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