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An Academic Question
New York Times ^ | April 5, 2005 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 04/05/2005 12:47:12 PM PDT by guitarist

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To: mc6809e

Republicans have no problem driving on highways funded by the public or for that matter a multitude of public projects.


21 posted on 04/05/2005 1:47:17 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: guitarist

In a way we are still reaping the rewards of Vietnam. A large number of those in power today in academia got there by using education deferrals for advanced degrees to avoid the draft. (Others went into the clergy and private foundations.) Now this generation, in their fifties and sixties, is sitting atop the academic power structure. Tenure and promotion decisions in universities are highly subjective and are voted on by the tenured faculty of each particular field so it is, to some extent, a popularity contest. Friends help friends.

Whether the problems now evident in academia and the churches and the foundations will pass with the "Vietnam Generation" is the real question. I suppose it will be self-perpetuating for awhile but then the pendulum will swing back. We owe such a debt of gratitude to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson!


22 posted on 04/05/2005 1:59:00 PM PDT by caseinpoint ((IMHO))
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To: flying Elvis
Republicans have no problem driving on highways funded by the public or for that matter a multitude of public projects.

The difference is that Republicans have already been forced to pay for those things. They might as well use them. This is a cause of sprawl, btw.

Universities, on the other hand, collect tax dollars and their employees are paid with these dollars. Sure, there is nothing wrong with Republicans attending a university they'll be forced to subsidize later. But that's not the same thing.

23 posted on 04/05/2005 1:59:06 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: guitarist

bttt


24 posted on 04/05/2005 2:00:25 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: SittinYonder

Have you ever actually read anything by Keynes? I mean a real book?


25 posted on 04/05/2005 2:04:22 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: mc6809e

Of course.


26 posted on 04/05/2005 2:05:10 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: reallygone

The source is the New York Times, right? So where does "journalism" enter the scene? Just wondering.


27 posted on 04/05/2005 2:10:29 PM PDT by GladesGuru
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To: flying Elvis

That raises a good issue,though. If it's the liberals who are getting PhDs and teaching in colleges, what does that say for our future?

Lets put it this way: I saw a study recently that discussed the types of cars people with different political ideologies drove, and in it they mentioned that the reason that Republicans tended to drive larger cars could have to do with the average size of families: Republicans average 3.5 children, while Democrats average only 1.7. This got me thinking: If we have so many more children on average, why aren't we more dominant?

Seriously - if we have twice the birth rate, we should have overtaken them long ago. Are 1 in 4 (or something like that) Republican children switching parties more often than Democratic children? And if so, who is to blame - could it really be college professors? And what could they be teaching that is causing this?

I really have more questions than answers here...


28 posted on 04/05/2005 2:14:40 PM PDT by OldGuard1
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To: SittinYonder

Yes and no, they may be hidden in their cloistered halls, but they are using the minds of tomorrow's generation as their personal punching bags, softening them up with socialist mantra then setting them loose on society.


29 posted on 04/05/2005 2:20:56 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: guitarist
And it wouldn't just be a matter of demanding that historians play down the role of slavery in early America

What conservative demands historians "play down the role of slavery?" I know of no slavery-deniers in the conservative movement, only those who plead for balance, context, and fairness in dealing with slavery. Nor do I know any conservative suggesting, no matter how remotely, that slavery wasn't wrong.
30 posted on 04/05/2005 2:46:04 PM PDT by The Great Yazoo ("Happy is the boy who discovers the bent of his life-work during childhood." Sven Hedin)
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To: infidel29
softening them up with socialist mantra then setting them loose on society

Yeah, but society tends to set them straight.

31 posted on 04/05/2005 2:47:48 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Yes.


32 posted on 04/05/2005 2:48:03 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: SittinYonder
Yes, although in some cases it takes longer than others.

What's Teddy Kennedy's excuse... never mind he's never had to live in the real world either.

33 posted on 04/05/2005 2:49:15 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: SittinYonder

Then you should know that his economics prior to the General Theory was conventional Classical school and even after that did not resemble what passed for Keynesianism.

Much of the disputes between the schools are arguments over the values of the variables within the formulas describing the economic processes. Keynesian economics is not that different from Monetarism in essence.

And you should know that Keynes was trying to explain something which the Classical School was finding impossible to explain.

In "The Economic Consequences of the Peace" he explained exactly what was going to happen as a result of forcing reparations on Germany for WWI. He was ignored by the Punish 'em school and we see the result.


34 posted on 04/05/2005 2:58:15 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: SittinYonder

Keynes probably was shocked about much of what was passed off as extensions of his writing. But the reference shows how much this author has his head stuck in the sand. Even PBS in running "Commanding Heights" was able to allow that the Keynesian theory that allowed expansion of socialist doctrine and planned economies lost all influence to Hayek and his fellows in economic assendancy.

Any Economics Department that is "teaching" Keynes and ignoring Hayek would be a joke today, IMHO. Eastern establishment schools like Syracuse have enough Hayek to fully explore that winnning side of economic theory.


35 posted on 04/05/2005 2:59:59 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: guitarist
Think of the message this sends: today's Republican Party - increasingly dominated by people who believe truth should be determined by revelation, not research - doesn't respect science, or scholarship in general. It shouldn't be surprising that scholars have returned the favor by losing respect for the Republican Party.

This from the corner of the 'earthmother gaia' crowd. I find the respect of most scholars irrelevant. They can go away, I and others like me are getting the job done.

Conservatives should be worried by the alienation of the universities; they should at least wonder if some of the fault lies not in the professors, but in themselves. Instead, they're seeking a Lysenkoist solution that would have politics determine courses' content.

As if politics has no influence on who gets grant money to do what research, and that if your conclusions (supported by the most stringent data) fly in the face of the politically correct consensus, you will get no more grant money.

Conservatives are not at fault, they did not select the professors.

36 posted on 04/05/2005 3:06:07 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Repeal the NFA of '34! the GCA of '68! and the '86 ban!)
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To: The Great Yazoo
What! You haven't heard? There is no way that (one) Rich Whiteman guy could have built this country without all those slaves.../Sarcasm

Yep, the slaves did a lot of work, but so did the rest, and giving them credit, too is not 'downplaying' the role of slavery, just giving credit to all who deserve it.

37 posted on 04/05/2005 3:12:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Repeal the NFA of '34! the GCA of '68! and the '86 ban!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Hey! My daughter goes to Krug's school--over $40ooo per year--but we aren't exactly propping the school up financially: she is on an approx. 90% full scholarship! So she's just taking up a place that might've been taken up by a lib. if we'd boycotted the place!


38 posted on 04/05/2005 3:16:30 PM PDT by guitarist
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To: mc6809e

--Can a Republican in good conscience accept tax dollars as an employee of a state university?

Sure. Just make a deal with yourself before you start to tell only the truth. If you get fired or denied tenure, so be it. The Lord will still provide for you!


39 posted on 04/05/2005 3:19:29 PM PDT by guitarist
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The school is still directly or indirectly getting cash. Schools that don't have a lot of top students attract less in the way of earmarked scholarship donations and general endowment fund donations. The school is benefitting financially by your daughter being there. Not as much, or as directly, as if you were paying the full bill, but still plenty.


40 posted on 04/05/2005 3:23:30 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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