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For Many U.S. Car Buyers, the World is 'Upside Down'
OregonLive.com ^ | 4/4/2005 | Eileen Alt Powell

Posted on 04/05/2005 12:22:02 PM PDT by ex-Texan

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To: LizardQueen

"Good used cars are good too as long as you know how they've been maintained."

I'm planning on my next car to be a used one.

What should I be looking out for in a used car?

How would I know how a used car has been maintained if purchased from a dealer?

Thanks.


101 posted on 04/05/2005 10:49:34 PM PDT by mjtobias (Our love for Terri was immense; her parents' love was infinite; God's love is everlasting.)
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To: spetznaz
Thanks for the link. Still have a hard time believing it. I'd believe an IRS link that said it.

According to the IRS 85% of those reaching age 65 do not have $200 in the bank and that 87% retire on less than $250 per week for life.

Does do not have $200 in the bank mean they have $20,000 in the bank? That's not $200. Do they mean to say less than $200 in the bank? If you have a $400,000 house that's paid off, $200 in the bank might be enough. If you have a $300,000 stock portfolio on top of that, well that's not "in the bank"

102 posted on 04/05/2005 11:14:26 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Maybe it's not the Alinsky Method. Maybe you appear ridiculous because you are ridiculous!!!)
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To: ChinaThreat
our Ford Contour, 1998 with 133,000 miles on it...has had no problems whatsoever,knock on wood......

there are good American cars out there....just have to get past the flash.....

103 posted on 04/05/2005 11:25:29 PM PDT by cherry (I)
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To: ChadsDad

Down in Colombia SA, the government encourages the wealthy to buy older cars.

Keeps down the kidnap rate.


104 posted on 04/05/2005 11:32:14 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: spetznaz

Aging Related Statistics

Makes "According to the IRS 85% of those reaching age 65 do not have $200 in the bank" look a little low.

105 posted on 04/05/2005 11:34:57 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Maybe it's not the Alinsky Method. Maybe you appear ridiculous because you are ridiculous!!!)
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To: Alberta's Child
There's one major flaw in your suggestion. If you buy a $20,000 car and it gets stolen a week after you bought it, you're out $20,000.

The purpose of insurance is to protect you against losses you cannot afford to pay. The theft of a $20,000 bought with cash is not going to break anybody, because it can be replaced with a $2,000 car bought with cash. A theft would put you back in the clunker again for a couple of years, but that is nothing you have to pay insurance to avoid.

Of course, if you live in an area where auto theft is a major problem, you may want to consider going with a meticulously maintained ten-year-old car. These can provide the same level of safety and utility as a new vehicle, but theives ignore them.

106 posted on 04/06/2005 3:24:19 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: mjtobias

This is just my opinion but I'd go for a private sale rather than from a dealer. When trading in to a dealer you usually can't get as much for the car as if you sold it yourself so a lot of people will trade in their "problem children" cars just to get rid of them rather than try to sell them on their own. They're willing to take less money just to get it off their hands.

The exception to this can be when the dealer offers a warranty on the used car. If the dealer is willing to put a 2 or 3 year warranty on it then there is a better chance that the thing isn't junk. You will probably pay more than you would in a private sale because of the dealer markup (they "buy low, sell high", no surprise there).

Have someone who knows cars well go with you to test drive them. Check all the oil and fluids before you start it up - see what color the oil is and if everything has been filled correctly. Don't let them warm it up for you before you get there. I won't buy any vehicle that the owner "warmed up for me" because I want to see it start and want to check all the stuff before I do that.
Run your finger around the tailpipe - is it sooty? Greasy? The exhaust and tailpipe mung can tell you a lot about the engine.

Ask the owner if he/she has the maintenance records on the car. Good owners will keep a log or all the receipts of when the car was serviced. I always save mine because it's a good selling point if I ever want to sell the car.
Review them thoroughly before making an offer.

Test drive it then have your knowledgeable partner drive it too. Then bring it back, let it sit, then check the fluids again, engine, the ground underneath where it was sitting, the color of the exhaust (blue means it's burning oil, black can mean a lot of different things but could be running rich because of bad maintenance or carbon buildup, white that smells like burning sugar is a very bad thing because your head gasket could be going), etc.

Best yet, have it checked over by a reputable mechanic before you buy it. This isn't always possible but do it if you can. If the owner severely balks at it you may want to walk away - there may be something bad you would discover if you do that.
Never fall in love with a car, there will always be another one out there to look at so if anything is fishy with it walk away.

It's still a crapshoot but you can minimize your risk by checking it out thoroughly. The younger the car is the better chance that it hasn't been trashed yet.

Always ask the owner why they are getting rid of the car. If someone is selling what looks like a perfectly good minivan that is 2 or 3 years old only to buy another minivan it makes me wonder if the one he's getting rid of was a lemon and he's had problems with it. A lot of times you can get good small cars from families who just added another child and now have to trade up to a minivan because they need the room.

Good luck, I hope that helps (others here can probably add alot more),

LQ, eternally grateful that my father was a gearhead


107 posted on 04/06/2005 4:47:29 AM PDT by LizardQueen
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To: danmar

http://www.villagemotors.com


108 posted on 04/06/2005 5:13:32 AM PDT by ChadsDad (If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.)
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To: mjtobias

see post 108


109 posted on 04/06/2005 5:16:10 AM PDT by ChadsDad (If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.)
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To: Pondman88
Brakes aren't too good, but its a manual, so I downshift HARD.

Don't! A clutch job is far more expensive than a brake job.

110 posted on 04/06/2005 5:27:22 AM PDT by Monitor (Gun control isn't about guns; it's about control.)
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To: spetznaz

I do no think that ARMS are necesarily a bad thing. For instance, if one got an ARM say in mid 04-say a 3/1 or a 5/1 the rate was really low, like 4%. So that person has a ridiculously low rate locked for 3 or 5 years. Good. Then the rate adjusts, but it can only adjust 2 points per year with a max of 6. So long term the homewoner is paying very low rates for a fixed period, then the rates adjust--eventually (perhaps) hitting market rates. Whats the big deal??? The prinicipal will have been reduced via the very low up front rates and the homeowner pays current market rates--which he can always refinance into a conventional loan. As long as the homeowner can afford it, I see no problems wiht ARMS and would say they can be advantageuos.

I guess the problem is that people get in over their heads...which is a seperate issue from ARMS. If you buy something you can't afford, too bad.


111 posted on 04/06/2005 5:57:37 AM PDT by Pondman88
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To: scab4faa

LOL!


112 posted on 04/06/2005 7:00:12 AM PDT by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: Monitor
You are right about brakes being cheaper to fix than clutches.

On many new front wheel drive cars, replacing the clutch is a major job. On my Saturn L-100 -2001 with 98K on the clock, just the clutch parts alone (plate, disk, slave cyl/w throw out bearing) is about $450.00 assuming it is a do it yourself job.

To install the clutch, the subframe has to be removed which means disconnecting the suspension. I estimate it will take me about 3 days to replace the clutch. Then I will have to have the wheels aligned.

As a note of interest, on this and many other new FWD cars, you cannot remove the engine by lifting from the top, rather the engine has to be lowered and removed underneath the car, making it very difficult to do without a lift.

Tom

113 posted on 04/06/2005 8:59:40 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: ex-Texan

they should pay off their cars with a 110% home equity loan from DiTech.


114 posted on 04/06/2005 9:01:43 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: add925

picked up my Bonnie (black and white scallop) a few weeks ago.


115 posted on 04/06/2005 9:02:43 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: spetznaz

Toddster must travel in wealthy circles to know all these people under 45 with little debt and lots of positive net worth. Unless they all just inherited their parent's money. Which is another factor we could talk about - I know alot of people for whom their retirement plan is inheriting their parent's money.


116 posted on 04/06/2005 9:49:55 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: spetznaz

oh, and another big trend I see - people borrowing against their 401Ks.


117 posted on 04/06/2005 9:50:48 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: reagan_fanatic
Ohh, that's sweet. I wish I could have one, but after I bought my '57 Chevy, my Wife says that I have my toy, I don't need another one...sigh.

AQtl east those are easier to fix be an average backyard mechanic. B-) No computer ignition systems, vacuum tube radios, now that is cool.
118 posted on 04/06/2005 9:55:17 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian - Any Questions?)
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To: Disambiguator
You are a glutton for punishment if you have 3 British cars! The MGBs are GTs, so I guess that makes it ok. :^)

Especially the electrical systems designed by Lucas Electric, "The Prince of Darkness." B-)
119 posted on 04/06/2005 9:58:56 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian - Any Questions?)
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To: Nowhere Man

Henry Manney said that on Triumph motorcycles the electics would short out in a crosswind.


120 posted on 04/06/2005 12:05:55 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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