Minutemen find few migrants (Police in Mexico discouraging illegal crossings)

Arizona Daily Star ^

[exodus]

To: TalonDJ
Well it sounds like you agree President Bush - reform the system to take away the cloud or question of illegality and you've solved this supposed problem.
# 195 by ClintonBeGone *********************************************

Good point, ClintonBeGone.

With that kind of law "enforcement," we could put a stop to all crime in the United States, simply by reforming the system and seeing the question of "illegality" in a whole new light.

[Dead Corpse]

And we know this how?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Correct. But if there are closet racists on here, they are staying cloistered.

Now, if we can just get you illegal border crosser apologists to do the same...

[ClintonBeGone]

I think, to some degree, we (you, me and the President) agree. So I take it then that you'll welcome with open arms someone who under the Bush plan is unquestionably legal in this country?

[exodus]

Elian Gonzalaz was part of a CIA program? *********************************************

Elian Gonzalaz was kidnapped by a corrupt national government.

The CIA is corrupt as a result of being a part of that corrupt national government.

Just as our Founders warned us, a government unrestrained is not a good thing.

[Dead Corpse]

The Bush plan pardons the millions of illegals already here. How this will stop others from coming here, equally illegally, has yet to be explained. It didn't work when Reagan did it. It ain't gonna work for Bush either.

[exodus]

I think, to some degree, we (you, me and the President) agree. So I take it then that you'll welcome with open arms someone who under the Bush plan is unquestionably legal in this country? *********************************************

On the border control issue? In no way do I agree with either you or Bush on this one.

Bush is wrong to give illegal migrants amnesty, and he is wrong to justify lawbreaking by saying that illegals do work that American citizens "refuse to do." That is a lie.

[Eagle of Liberty]

So you're saying that anyone can get social security worker benefits without paying into the system? That's news to me. In fact, they allow you to send for a statement every year that tells you how much you've earned and how much your social security check will be based on how much you've contributed by way of your salary.

I guess I should not have said that they do not pay anything into the system, but they definitely do not pay in as much as they get from the system. They falsify records, obtain SSN's and then claim totalization.

Take a look at this. It may help you understand the problem:

Social Security 'Totalization'

[in the Arena]

they're not stopping anything.

The goal of the MMP is not to "stop" illegal border crossings. They admit that nothing short of military intervention will seal the border. But it is bringing the problem to the forefront and forcing the Federal government to directly address it.

In that sense, it has been a major success.

[Final Authority]

Absolutely correct. Mission accomplished. Now if only the Government can take over the role of the minute men and do the same on a random basis on several border fronts and imprison the captured in concentration camps for the purposes of processing a deportation then we will begin to deal with the immense problem that up to now hasn't been tackled.

[COEXERJ145]

Calling someone with a differing opinion on the subject a traitor and foreign agent is just waaaay over the line. That would be the editorial you.

That is their SOP. If someone doesn't agree with them 100% then they start the personal attacks and lies in an effort to bait people to get them banned. Funny how a person can be threatened with a ban for "name calling" and yet two people in this thread have called ClintonBeGone at least 8 different names and accused him of being an illegal alien.

[oldbrowser]

Darn shame that they won't be able to stay there full time.

How about expanding the program to the entire border, Mexico and Canada ??

[Kokojmudd]

Wait a cotton-pickin (no offense to immigrant cotton-pickers, legal or illegal) minute! How come you are ready to trust data from the Social Security Administration but not the US Border Patrol? Using your logic wouldn't the SSA be at least as biased as any other source with an agenda? You seem like a nice person so please consider abandoning Your Own Private Alamo. There is a swell book that might help you called The Fallacy Detective. After reading it I trust you will do a better job arguing whatever point you are trying to make. http://www.triviumpursuit.com/catalog/the_fallacy_detective.htm

[HiJinx]

Well, over 200 posts without a border ping...must be a good article! Thanks, Mudd, for the 'ping'.

I wonder how long it's going to take before someone starts asking Andy Adame some tough questions? I've just sent an editorial to the Sierra Vista Herald chiding their reporter for swallowing Adame's position hook, line, and sinker.

[Dead Corpse]

Doubly funny in that it was your friend harrowup who first started calling people a "liar" and threatening us with banning. And CGB's assertions of lies, corruption, racism, ect... despite never putting up any evidence.

Nice crowd you hang with.

[jackbenimble]

In that sense, it has been a major success.

Ditto!

Meaning no disrespect to the Pope, it is too bad he died at this moment because the news has been all Pope all the time and it has been hard for any other news stories to squeeze in edgewise.

[ClintonBeGone]

How come you are ready to trust data from the Social Security Administration but not the US Border Patrol?

Um, because I know how to do math? It's not hard. If you know the formula, and your gross wages over the years, you too can figure it out.

[Travis McGee]

This is the Israeli fence on the Golan Heights with Syria.

As opposed to our open border with Mexico, during wartime.

Can someone explain to me why a simple pair of sturdy fences is out of the reach of the world's greatest super power?

The answer is: our leaders want lots of cheap illegal labor.

[HiJinx]

Perhaps. Maybe more disappointing (for you) is there really isn't a border problem and the numbers these MMK'ers claim are simply bogus.

Hi, how are you today? I hadn't seen you in a couple of days and thought something might have happened to you.

Border Patrol agents in March of 2005 arrested 24,232 illegal aliens in that portion of the Tucson Sector that encompasses Cochise County. That's over 780 per day. Last year it was over 1,000 per day. Source is Andy Adame, USBP spokesman in Tucson, as quoted by reporter Bill Hess in today's Sierra Vista Herald, www.svherald.com.

You really need to work on either curing your ignorance or ceasing your prevarications.

[RJL]

there's a front page article in the nyt today complaining that illegals pay into social security and don't get much back.

What would be funny if it wasn't so sad is that Americans pay huge amounts in Social Security and don't get much back.

Social Security is the single worst investment one can make with their money.

[Travis McGee]

"Nice crowd you hang with."

You couldn't beat the Mexicans lead by brother Santa Anna at the Alamo - You're certainly not going to beat Mara Salvatrucha with a bunch of fat old ex-supply sergeants.