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Police shut store selling replica guns to students (Jack-booted thug ALERT)
Boston Globe ^ | April 3, 2005 | Suzanne Smalley

Posted on 04/03/2005 1:56:16 PM PDT by DocH

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To: Fiat volvntas tva
Zero-tolerance = ZERO COMMON-SENSE.

Then again, if you think about it, someone COULD get a paper-cut from a photograph.

We're armed agents from the from the government, and we're hear to save you from yourselves.

We may have to KILL YOU to do it though, so don't be alarmed. :)

21 posted on 04/04/2005 8:49:59 PM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: eno_
Read that over carefully. "Raided." Sending a C&D letter, followed up by a summons, is not enough? You have to put on ninja gear and "raid" the place?

This is showboating

Wasn't the murderous BATF raid on the men, women, and CHILDREN at WACO called "Operation SHOWBOAT", and wasn't it mainly geared towards keeping their agency from getting the axe, or at least, having their funding cut drastically?

That's what I have read and seen.

22 posted on 04/04/2005 8:54:32 PM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH

Don't be silly. I'll give you a scenario: A 12 year old kid buys one of these guns and uses it to rob a person or a store. The cops catch up to him, the kid displays the play gun and the cops shoot him. It has happened before and that is what the cops are trying to stop. Your problem should be with the parents who can't raise a child to know that robbing people is wrong. I had tons of black, look-real water guns when I was young. Do you think I ever thought of using it to committ a crime?


23 posted on 04/04/2005 8:56:22 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: Sonar5
Abuse of authority and no respect for CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (sounds like an illegal search and seizure, if you ask me).

The bastards in the city government and the PO-lice department need to be strung-up over this.

24 posted on 04/04/2005 8:57:25 PM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
I hear the screaming again. "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

Is that Kennedy, Chuckie Schumer, and Fein-swine once again bleating and whining their anti-gun siren-song?

They SHOULD be in black and white stripes for their crimes against the Constitution and the law-abiding people of the United States, or better yet, tried and EXECUTED as DOMESTIC enemies of the Constitution and our very country.

Go ahead and smile and laugh ass-hole anti-gun demonRATS. It's all fun and games until we-the-people rise up and send your asses to the "glue factory" (of sorts).

25 posted on 04/04/2005 9:04:33 PM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: thefactor
I had tons of black, look-real water guns when I was young. Do you think I ever thought of using it to committ a crime?

If you were a kid now, even thinking of committing a crime will now get you suspended from school and send your papa to jail.

Kansas 9-year-old tries to swap gun for Xbox

It started out as a proposed trade between two 9-year-old Wichita boys.

One boy offered a .38-caliber handgun for an Xbox, a popular electronic game system, officials say. The gun would turn out to be loaded.

But the trade never occurred. Instead, the boy offering the gun has been suspended from school, and his grandfather has received a notice to appear in court for improperly storing a firearm.

Police found the loaded gun in the boy's backpack at his home Tuesday night. Police spokeswoman Janet Johnson stressed that the gun never made it to school and that the boy made no threats.

Because the school district has a zero-tolerance policy against weapons and because the gun could have been taken to school, the boy who offered the trade has been suspended.


26 posted on 04/04/2005 9:08:58 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: thefactor
A 12 year old kid buys one of these guns and uses it to rob a person or a store. The cops catch up to him, the kid displays the play gun and the cops shoot him

Look at it as natures way of culling the herd. :)

Seriously though, and you're right, the key is educating the parents of these little inner-city wog kids. NOT coming down, unconstitutionally, on some poor slogs trying to run a business for the ungrateful bastards that surround their little convenience store.

And again, as a cop or a convenience store owner, I'd rather come up against a would-be criminal with a FAKE TOY gun, than a no-shit REAL one.

If the little bugger is stupid enough to point it at me, as an armed cop, then society will be better off without the little bastard.

In the end, my problem is with the parents of these little gang-bangers, AND out-of-control inner-city, left-wing, anti-gun politicians and cops.

27 posted on 04/04/2005 9:13:19 PM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: El Gato; All

All I'm saying is I don't believe we have the whole story here.

And if you read some of my posts over the last, oh say 7 years here, you might understand I am very much a proponent of the right to bear arms.

The original author of this thread left that part out, concerning the reason for the closure, and all I did was point it out since it was the reason given for the closing, and was probably the most relevant point to the discussion.

I did not offer any opinion as to whether I thought it was right or wrong.

It seems to me the cops got a report that guns MAY have been sold without orange stops, etc..... It looks like they investigated, and held a raid.

Will that raid be upheld, probably not for many reasons.

But until one of you produces the actual warrant showing the parameters of the search, you are jumping the gun so to speak, and I just feel we don't know the whole story.

And if the warrant was for illegal products being sold, and did not specify guns, porn, etc, they very well may have been within their jurisdiction to close the place.

If they went outside the warrant, then a court or judge will decide if it was a legal search or not, and the store owner may have a civil recourse available to them.

Ping me if we ever get the answer to those questions, which I doubt we will ever hear of this story again.

And it wasn't real guns so I don't feel my rights were violated in this instance unless I hear the whole story, and not just the bits and pieces being released here.

They didn't go out and raid some actual gun shop. And do I have a problem with the orange barrel stops. Nope.

And if you have gang banger wannabes making guns look real by removing those stops and then intimidating and/or threatening others, I would hope you would like a stop put to that. That is the way I see it.

Regards,
Joe


28 posted on 04/04/2005 9:19:16 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: thefactor

So the cops should RAID this shop? Put on their flack vests helmets and MP5s and RAID it?

Sorry. The cops are out of control. They need taking down a notch or three.


29 posted on 04/05/2005 4:36:14 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_

The term "raid" is a generic one. The story does not go into details about how the operation was carried out. Plus, the cops said they appealed to the store owner but he was unreceptive. This operation was their last option. My guess is that the "raid" consisted of a few detectives in Boston PD windbreakers producing a warrant and calmly confiscating some merchandise. Plus, this is a program from the mayor. People forget that the police hardly ever make policy. They carry policy out. Don't kill the messengers.


30 posted on 04/05/2005 5:03:34 AM PDT by thefactor
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