Posted on 03/31/2005 2:37:47 AM PST by Gengis Khan
Ok Cronos, it came across different mate. :-)
The Indian Hindus and Sikhs have added greatly to the culture of Britain, and have integrated and are proud to be British as well as their ancestry.
However, and this is of course a generalisation, but a large minority of Pakistani/British hate Britain and America, and genuinely love Bin Laden.
Nopers!!!Kanchan is a guy-I've seen him appear on NDTV & Star.
"So you believe the Pak's are, indeed suicidal?"
Many are. They hate India more than they love life. Suicidal?, yes.
"Umm,Pakistan is getting over a 100 jets from China irrespective of the F-16 deal & Russia has to big a market in India to lose by selling to Pakistan."
Exactly my point - no need for some big uproar because we sold 16 1980's fighters to Pak.
India & has been designing(a very difficult thing) & building it's own fighters & other aircraft since the 50s.Like Japan,South Korea,Israel & others,it seeks to export combat aircraft instead of developing on it's own to save time & resources.If you think India is going buy 126 aircraft from a US manufacturer or any other nation,you seriously have no clue about the contract.Only 20 or 30 will be built by the manufacturer,the remaining will be built under license by an Indian company-something many advanced nations do.
The number(as of now) is 24 & the Pakis have an outstanding demand for 70.& If im not mistaken,they want F-16 Blk 52s & AMRAAM missiles,which are anything but 1980s era stuff.
Nope?...But the name sounds feminine......
Yep,that's the weird part.The Guy has a moustache(Well he had it till last week!!),spectacles & was dressed in a salwar kurta or something.
"This is a tough game, but Bush decided the complaints from the Indians are less then the heat he wants to put on the Chicoms."
Well Bush could have given us the F-16s if he wanted to really put some heat on the Chicoms. Pak is China's main ally and China will only be happy to have a look at Pakistans kitty.
BTW: Most Indians arnt vegans, its only a stereotype.....just like this "outsourcing" hype.
So what has India done for the U.S. ever? The Indians have sucked up to Russia and or China for decades going any way possible but towards the U.S.
Thats ancient history bro.. It has no bearing on our future course of action, since the world order has changed completely with the collapse of soviet union.. In the past, US used to aid Saddam Hussein against Iranians and Osama against Soviets, remember ?
Now the world has changed to such an extent that US and India need each other much more than US needs old europe.
Till the F-16 fiasco, Indians were probably more pro-US than most of your so-called European "allies" (unless you count Moldovia, Estonia and other such tiny countries with populations less than Houston) who do display their anti-American tendencies, time and again.
And of course, dont you think its utterly naive to reject the goodwill of a billion+ people who represent a 6th of humanity, and instead cling on to some stupid historical mistakes of either sides, esp when both sides could gain more from co-operation ?
It surely doesnt make any sense to me that the world's two largest democracies keep fighting/mistrusting each other, especially in this new world order where Islamo-fascists are the sole threat to both their interests.
Take what in stride? the arming of her enemies by a country that claims to be her friend? that would tick me off too frankly...
Many friends of mine ar Hindu Indians. They are to a one, nice law abiding and religious.
To a one they all say Pakistanis are nuts esecially when it comes to religion.
However the facts are the following. India has yet to ally itself with anything American. As a matter of fact, most of the wea[pons systems they buy still come from china and Russia. And they do little but bad mouth the u.S.and its polocies.
I would love to have India on board with the war on terror which seems to be mostly a war against Muslims.
On the other hand, most of Pakistans weapons are American and they do seem to allow U.S. troops to go after Alqueda on pakistani ground.
Now if that is living in the past in your eyes so be it but it is the truth.
They are directed at Pakistan but are available to insure the Chi-coms behave.
Who said we're offering them AMRAAMS?
Ah no...wrong. As a matter of fact, a large Isralie armed forces delegation was in India on 9/11. Both the Indian and Isralie leadership team watched in horror what was happening. Then then PM of India immediately called Bush for offer any support. Bush and the Pentagon called Pakistan and made them an offer they could not refuse (ie. support us, or we carpet bomb pakistan with India's help). Pakistan relented, on only one condition. That Israel and India be not included in the WOT! Get your facs right man!
Let me tell you brother, they are decitful. Now regarding the F16s for Pakistan (Land of the Pure). I don't mind the deal one bit...except that the Pakistanis are dillusional. They will actully think that they have the US in their back pocket, and will...mark my words...in a few months (before winter sets in) launch some sort of misadventure in Kashmir.
These Pakistanis belive their own lies. For instance, when India was going to launch an all out invasion of Pakistan (after Paki intl. was implicated on the attack on the Indian Parlament), Musharraf phoned frantically to Bush to ask the Indians to pull back. The Indians in their folly did. Do you know what the story in Pakistan is about this incident...the story is that the Indians are weak, have no strength, are intimidated by Pakitan. They are completely nuts buddy. NUTS!!
And, yes I do agree with you that if Pakitan ever did try anything with India (with or without F16s), India would clean house there. There were reports during the last war between Pakistan and India (Kargil), that Indian Migs were able to lock on to Pak F16s and the F16s turned tail.
It looks to me that Condi has not done her homework on that part of the world.
Peace brother!
& what was the connection that you said exists with India transporting Iranian oil to China???Man,Ive never heard anything like that.Even the best of allies don't do that sort of thing & you are talking about 2 rivals.Or do you have any proof for your weird claims.India has been improving ties with China & has also been doing the same with the US,Russia,Israel,Pakistan among others-so what's your point on that?????Their border dispute still remains & help to Pakistan will continue.
About my loyalties,if my nationality makes me have a biased view of things,I wonder how many people on here can have a rational take on things like OBL,Iran & Canada.By your logic,none.
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