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Top Neurologist's Report on Terri Released
NewsMax ^ | 3/30/05 | NewsMax

Posted on 03/30/2005 7:14:14 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: Pan_Yans Wife
He is a LOON.

You seem to have hit the old nail on the head as usual. LOL

21 posted on 03/30/2005 7:38:51 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

Yep. That's not the procedure. Fraud.

(It's an ad hominem but it casts serious doubt on anything he says.)


22 posted on 03/30/2005 7:39:19 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: wagglebee
The key portions of the report are at the end. The conclusion of this neurologist is "Speech Therapist, Speech Pathologist and a Treatment Plan."

The recommendations of this medical expert were ignored. He also found indications of a severe cervical injury. As far as I know, no one ordered CT scans of Terri's cervical spine. MS refused to permit her to be further evaluated. No speech therapy was ever allowed.

I agree with others who say Terri is being murdered by a corrupt court system in Florida. Jeb Bush is also a huge disappointment. The whole state is floating in corruption as far as I can tell.

As an aside, I Googled these terms "Mexico + corruption" and a few others today. Me thinks it is no accident that the two major access points for drug coming into the U.S. in 1997 were Texas (via Juarez) and Florida. But what do I know anyway? I'm just an old geezer living in Oregon.

23 posted on 03/30/2005 7:43:32 PM PST by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

When?

What was the question & answer?

What is your explanation as to why they have been saying otherwise for years now?


24 posted on 03/30/2005 7:43:50 PM PST by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
(It's an ad hominem but it casts serious doubt on anything he says.)

Right on both counts.

25 posted on 03/30/2005 7:44:58 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; tomahawk

<< Her parents admitted, on the witness stand, that she is PVS. >>

Care to post the transcript of that proceeding and of those [Layman's and therefore -- even if they existed outside of your fantasies -- in-any-case meaningless] "admissions."


26 posted on 03/30/2005 7:46:35 PM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: wagglebee
William M. Hammesfahr, M.D. did a world class forensic report. Not only was he thorough, but he was literate. He documented his findings with a TV recording. I cannot see how anyone could ignore his effort.

As far as the Nobel Prize recommendation, this does not reflect on the Dr. but it does reflect on the Congressman. Physicians are seldom accused of humility--this doubly so when they have prominence and a long c.v.

27 posted on 03/30/2005 7:48:29 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: wagglebee
During 1998, she was evaluated by Dr. James Barnhill, neurologist, who testified that he examined her for ten minutes and determined that she had no chance for recovery, and was in a persistent vegetative state. He also identified that her skull was filled with spinal fluid; there was no brain present on the scans. All responses he identified were reported as "reflexes." He obtained no blood pressure nor did anyone else, apparently, on the day of his exam, the closest documented blood pressures being obtained two days earlier and five days later. No tests including Urinary Tract infection evaluations, blood tests, EEGs, evoked potentials, or new CT/MRI exams were ordered.

Wow .. spent a whole 10 minutes examining her huh?

28 posted on 03/30/2005 7:49:03 PM PST by Mo1
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To: org.whodat

The loon is Felos he says he channels comatose patients.Hitch yourself to that wagon if you want.


29 posted on 03/30/2005 7:50:59 PM PST by northernlightsII
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To: wagglebee
Terri Schiavo is not in a "persistent vegetative state," she will respond to therapy. They are murdering this woman!

Yes!!!

30 posted on 03/30/2005 7:51:16 PM PST by Krodg (If the Clintons don't kill you, their judicial appointments will.)
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To: wagglebee
...I have seen this pattern of mixed brain (cerebral) and spinal cord findings in a patient once before, a patient who was asphyxiated...

...The degree of limitation of range of motion, and of spasms in her neck, is consistent with a neck injury....

I think hubby tried to kill her.

He's given confiliciting testimony about how he "found" her:

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY
2 CIVIL DIVISION
DATE AND TIME: July 27, 1992; 9:05 a.m. CASE NO. 92-939CI-15

p.99 Michael Schiavo Deposition Medical Malpractice Pt 4
24 Q Now, what -- when you saw her, do you know
25 what time it was? ___
p.103 of MS Depo Med Mal Pt 4
1 A I believe it was almost five a.m..
2 Q When you saw her, how was she lying; in other
3 words, on her back or --
4 A On her back.
5 Q Did she make any sound at all before she fell
6 that you heard?

Excerpts of Michael Schiavo's July 27, 1992 Deposition


CIRCUIT COURT OF THE SIXTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
STATE OF FLORIDA IN AND FOR PINELLAS COUNTY
PROBATE DIVISION
CASE NO. 90-2908-GD3 January 24, 2000
BEFORE: GEORGE W. GREER Circuit Court Judge
PLACE: Clearwater Courthouse
Clearwater, FL 33756


Q Michael, tell me what occurred on
11 February 25, 1990.
12 A I got home late from work that night. I
13 came in the house. Terri woke up. She heard me.
14 I gave her a kiss good night. She gave me a kiss
15 good night. A few hours later, I was getting out
16 of bed for some reason and I heard this thud. So
17 I ran out into the hall and I found Terri on the
18 floor. I knelt down next to her and I turned her
19 over because she sort of fell on her face. On her
20 stomach and face.
21 I turned her over going, "Terri, Terri.

Michael Schiavo's testimony January 24, 2000

31 posted on 03/30/2005 7:51:24 PM PST by FReepaholic (Vanity of vanities: all is vanity.)
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To: wagglebee

"severely low episodes of blood pressure due to a lack of treatment of urinary tract infections ordered by the husband"

Pardon me, if I sound stupid, but is this report saying the husband did not allow her to be treated for urinary tract infections? I'm just wondering if I'm reading it right.


32 posted on 03/30/2005 7:53:01 PM PST by Jessarah
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To: durasell
Oh, please.... they are killing this poor woman.

Now, just get back to HINO side of the cesspool and keep the other buzzards company.

33 posted on 03/30/2005 7:53:14 PM PST by Lion in Winter (LIFE SPRINGS ETERNAL!!)
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To: wagglebee

Have you all seen this incredible tape of Terri opening her eyes for the dr. - he keeps saying "open you eyes{ - so she finally arches her eyebrows high and her eyes wide as if to say: "Hey, how about THIS!"
It will make you laugh and then cry - SHE IS THERE - she needs therapy...THIS IS A MUST - must get it our everyone. I've sent it to all the FOX addresses, Rush, Hannity ets - but they have to get slammed with this to pay attention, so it doesn't get lost.

http://web.Tampabay.rr.com/ccb/videos/Terri_Big_Eyes.rm


34 posted on 03/30/2005 7:54:10 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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To: wagglebee

Guys, you've been had. Then again, so have lots of others.

This exam took place during a time that the doc was promoting himself as a wunderdoc for all sorts of brain injury, expectially stroks. He was ultimately dinged by the State of Florida for his bogus claims.

http://www.doh.state.fl.us/mqa/FinalOrders/03-17-03/DOH-03-0182.pdf

So here we have a bogus Nobel nomination, and a conviction by the State of Florida for bogus ads, claiming about the same time that Terri would respond to care.

If you're gonna make an argument then you've GOT to be careful about your sources. The Left wears pajamas, too.


35 posted on 03/30/2005 7:56:23 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: wagglebee

Whatever the story about the Nobel Prize, this whole report sounds sensible and reasonable to me. If he has an ego trip about the nomination, big deal. A little pompousness doesn't discredit him.

She has been examined, usually for a short time only, by serveral Death Doctors, and it's understandable that she does not respond to them. As you can see from this report, she responds to pleasurable sounds and voices she knows and loves. But she does not respond that way to those who clearly wish her ill.

She did not respond to Dr. Hammesfahr at first because she has had mostly unpleasant experiences with doctors. But once she understood he was trying to help her, she did respond.

It's no wonder if she takes some time to respond and has muscles that have seized up. Anyone would, after being kept lying in the dark for 15 years, deprived of human contacts and any kind of stimulation. Michael has ordered her blinds down, her lights off, and has ordered that the nurses should not speak to her.

And what the hell kind of doctor would not be concerned about bacterial infection of the bladder?


36 posted on 03/30/2005 7:56:52 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: wagglebee
Following Commands: At various times during the exam, I asked her to close her eyes, or open her eyes widely, look towards her mother, or look towards me. At times, she appeared to properly follow these commands. Interestingly, some of the commands, such as close your eyes, open your eyes, etc. she tended to do several minutes after I gave her the command to do so. She had a delay in her processing of the action. However, when praised for the action, she would then continue to do the action repetitively for up to approximately 5 minutes. As we had moved on to other areas of the exam, at times she was continuing to do the previous command, then at inappropriate times since the focus of the exam had changed. During different portions of the exam, I would ask her to squeeze my hand on command, or, in the lower extremities, to pick up her right lower leg to command.

Uh huh.

"Terri, blink your eyes."

No response.

"Terri, squeeze my hand?"

No response.

"Terri, look at your mother?"

No response... wait! She's blinking rapidly! That counts as a hit on the first question! Clearly she can understand what I was asking and it's not just a random event!

Uh huh. This guy must be taking lessons from John Edward.

This kind of BS pseudoscience only hurts the case for keeping her alive.

37 posted on 03/30/2005 7:59:02 PM PST by staterightsfirst
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To: wagglebee

"Terri Schiavo is not in a "persistent vegetative state," she will respond to therapy. They are murdering this woman!"

If this is a legitamate exam, then this finding is not consistent with someone that is functioning only on "brain stem." I am starting to wonder if the "Cat Scan" image being shown at various places (like the MSM) is bogus or doctored(no pun intended). Something is horribly wrong here.

Baring an absolutely miraculous regeneration of her brain damage, Terri could never be the person she was. However, it is obvious to me that if she had of received more agressive therapy early on she would today not be considered PVS just severely handicapped. This is so very sad.


38 posted on 03/30/2005 8:01:31 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Diogenesis

"Herr Felos, now remember to tell
the dummkopfs that starvation is
euphoric, peaceful, and beautiful.

39 posted on 03/30/2005 8:03:06 PM PST by harpo11 ( She ain't heavy, she's my sister!)
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To: wagglebee
Very telling, and informative.

I say this as a PT, who's seen many in conditions much worse than she.

40 posted on 03/30/2005 8:04:12 PM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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