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'Values' debate tricky on Schiavo [Ron Brownstein's/LATimes confused morality]
Los Angeles Times ^ | 3/29/2005 | By RONALD BROWNSTEIN

Posted on 03/29/2005 6:38:07 AM PST by johnny7

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The Party-of-Death has a lot of 'splainin 'ta do.
1 posted on 03/29/2005 6:38:07 AM PST by johnny7
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The DemonRATs have no problem "handling" the value issue when it comes to abortion.


2 posted on 03/29/2005 6:39:55 AM PST by WVNan
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Light moaning and tensing of the arms, huh? Gosh, if that's all starvation/dehydration for 11 days gets you, why not just give her an aspirin? I roll out of bed with those symptoms every morning.

My guess is the light moaning and tensing is really code for a horrible case of death throes, but we mustn't know the truth...might put us off the whole "death with dignity" idea.

3 posted on 03/29/2005 6:51:18 AM PST by cj2a (When you're pathetic, but you don't know you're pathetic, that's really pathetic.)
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Republicans said the issue was unlikely to cause lasting damage and could help the party by motivating its most ardent supporters.

Given some of the postings I`ve seen on FR over the last few days when it became obvious the Congressional action was not going to work I bet it will be awhile before they try to motivate the "ardent supporters" again.

4 posted on 03/29/2005 6:53:10 AM PST by carlr
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The records show that the second dose was given after nurses noticed "light moaning and grimacing and tensing of arms," he said.

Must be the euphoria she's supposed to not be able to feel.

5 posted on 03/29/2005 6:54:43 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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Gosh, if that's all starvation/dehydration for 11 days gets you, why not just give her an aspirin?

C'mon... the MSM says the individual experience's a type of 'euphoria' when they 'cash-out like this... besides... she's on a morphine-drip.

It's like death-by-injection... only it takes 14 days!

6 posted on 03/29/2005 7:01:19 AM PST by johnny7 (Ever wonder what's the 'crust' in 'Ol Crusty'?)
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The self-styled moderate, intellectual, and emotionless Republicans here who've been mocking the conservative Terri supporters in the misguided hope that they will gain political advantage are only shooting themselves in the foot.

Berating the conservatives, Christian and otherwise, will serve to push moderates toward the dems and conservatives toward the door.

Welcome Hillary into the Oval Office.


7 posted on 03/29/2005 7:02:13 AM PST by Kryptonite
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In a CBS News survey, opposition was so widespread that even decisive majorities of Republicans, conservatives and white evangelical Christians said Bush and Congress should not have intervened.

That poll, the ABC poll, the Times poll and every other scientific poll. The GOP read the tea leaves wrong.

8 posted on 03/29/2005 7:05:29 AM PST by Drango (My tag line is takin' a nap. Please come back later.)
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How much?


9 posted on 03/29/2005 7:07:45 AM PST by johnny7 (Ever wonder what's the 'crust' in 'Ol Crusty'?)
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Please read and then reread the last paragraph of this article, please.


10 posted on 03/29/2005 7:13:55 AM PST by Treader ( go ahead, suit your-self ... just remember who dressed ya)
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But clearly people don't want government being involved in decisions like this."

And the COURT is NOT GOVERNMENT?
11 posted on 03/29/2005 7:14:30 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: Treader

This is typical BrownStain bs.


12 posted on 03/29/2005 7:17:27 AM PST by Treader ( go ahead, suit your-self ... just remember who dressed ya)
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To: Edgerunner

Jurisdiction.


13 posted on 03/29/2005 7:17:33 AM PST by dwilli
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Quote: "But many Democratic strategists think that the party could benefit among moderate swing voters who believe that the GOP overreached in the matter."

But I thought that the dems were going to start talking "values." Are these the "values" that they want to talk about? Is demonizing the evangelicals, as has been done here, i.e. "the damn republican jesus freaks" are interferring in a private matter, going to win voters in the South?

You would think the MSM and dems learned from the last election. Bogus polls are still bogus and are lies, no matter how ofter the MSM relies on them or repeats their results, see, for example, polling, exit, election. (See also, polling, election, prior to election day). The polls regarding public opinion in this case are just as bogus as they rely on false pretenses. For example, how many out there have been lead to believe 1)Terri is in a coma/on life support (read respirator); 2)Terri left a living will; or 3)Terri's family all agree as to her wishes.

As those three facts get more and more exposed, public opinion turns and so do the polls. They turn to even more misleading questions. In the end, the truth comes out, at the only polls that matter, the one's that are open on election day.


14 posted on 03/29/2005 7:19:12 AM PST by FlipWilson
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"The aggressive intervention by President Bush and congressional Republicans in the conflict underscored their commitment to social conservative causes..."

What is aggressive about UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AMENDMENT 8 ???

TERRI IS BEING MURDERED AT THE COMMAND OF A JUDGE BECAUSE SHE CAN NOT FEED HERSELF AND HAS BEEN FORBIDDEN TO RECEIVE FOOD OR WATER AT THE HAND OF ANY ONE ELSE.

The MURDER of Terri is just that...

GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED MURDER!

Enough with the 10,000 word articles and analysis of every word uttered by some "expert" or "pundit" or "journalist" and the explanations of why or why not the government should or should not get involved. They are involved, as this is nothing but...

GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED MURDER!

We do not need to use 15 letter words to detail what is happening here. It is quite simple really. It was a trap, and Terri was the bait. It is a murder in progress as the whole world watches.

WAKE UP - YOU COULD BE NEXT!

15 posted on 03/29/2005 7:23:00 AM PST by Just A Nobody
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By changing the law of the state to have jurisdiction. I know you don't know of the behind the scene work by Greer and Felos to have the law of the state of Florida changed so they could rule the way they have. This smacks of undue influence using their buddies in the Florida legislature. You will no doubt defend their right to change the law using their influence.
16 posted on 03/29/2005 7:29:40 AM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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OK this article is supposedly about values, but it is about politics.

I have been noticing that the so-called medical ethics experts do not talk about ethics. To make sure, I consulted the dictionary and ethics is about good and bad, not anything goes. All this talk about living wills expresses the wisdom of the field that a patient's wishes are inviolable without any discussion that I have seen of good and bad choices and their ramifications. So I will say that it seems to me that medical ethics is a shallow field. It has pushed aside the traditionally noble ethics of medicine.

So this morning on c-span a medical ethics professor at Georgetown said that he would not want to lie in bed for 15 years not being able to scratch his nose when it itched. This is how someone rises to the top of his field in philosophy these days? If a professor at Georgetown thinks the most important determinant in whether one should live or die is whether or not he can scratch an itch then maybe those who objected to Ward Churchill should turn their attention to poseurs like this one.

17 posted on 03/29/2005 7:30:41 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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"light moaning and grimacing and tensing of arms"

She's probably pissed off we won't let her die in peace and go to heaven.


18 posted on 03/29/2005 7:36:24 AM PST by One Proud Son
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You're saying that the powers-that-be changed the state
laws so they can murder Terri Schiavo? I bet you played
left field in little league.


19 posted on 03/29/2005 7:36:33 AM PST by dwilli
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I read ALL my posts. What's your point?


20 posted on 03/29/2005 7:41:53 AM PST by johnny7 (Ever wonder what's the 'crust' in 'Ol Crusty'?)
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