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The Rule of Law v. The Rule of Judges [Schiavo]
Renew America ^ | 03/27/2005 | Adam Graham

Posted on 03/28/2005 12:06:15 PM PST by Keyes2000mt

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1 posted on 03/28/2005 12:06:16 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
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To: Keyes2000mt
Judges should be accountable to the people just like every other branch of government. Impeach those that believe that they are above the Constitution.
2 posted on 03/28/2005 12:08:26 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: Keyes2000mt

Exactly. The law isn't what a judge makes up as he goes along. Just because a judge says something doesn't make it legal.
I'm sick of the cowards who hide behind Judge Greer's words...


3 posted on 03/28/2005 12:08:34 PM PST by Awestruck (Yes, prayer does help and it is important~!)
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To: YOUGOTIT

Amen!


4 posted on 03/28/2005 12:09:50 PM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Keyes2000mt

LORD DENMAN, (in C.J. O'Connel v. R. ,1884): "Every jury in the land is tampered with and falsely instructed by the judge when it is told it must take (or accept) as the law that which has been given to them, or that they must bring in a certain verdict, or that they can decide only the facts of the case."


5 posted on 03/28/2005 12:11:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: Keyes2000mt

A judges robe is most definately a license to steal, and in this case a license to murder.


6 posted on 03/28/2005 12:20:23 PM PST by traderrob6 (http://www.exposingtheleft.blogspot.com)
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To: Keyes2000mt

Laws are meant to provide justice. Everyone recognizes that they do so imperfectly, but it is the best we can do.

There are many checks in the law to prevent an injustice from being done. For example, a person convicted and sentenced by the judiciary can be pardoned by the executive.

Terri's case falls into a place where many feel a grave injustice is being done, but the law has provided no way to correct it. A case where a person is being unjusticely killed is one of the most extreme cases, if not the most extreme case, where an injustice can happen. This is not a common everyday event.

For the executive to step in and stop the killing of Terri is the exception to the rule of law, taken under the most extreme and rare of cases, and it is taken to save a life, not to take a life, or provide some benefit in an unjust manner. If the executive were to abuse such a power, what are the likely penalties? Impeachment by the legislature, or a recall election in some states, or not being re-elected in the next election. Are these not sufficient checks, both on the judiciary and the executive?


7 posted on 03/28/2005 12:21:05 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: Keyes2000mt

Federalist 78 by Alexander Hamilton (one of the drafters of the U.S. Constitution) makes it plain that the Judiciary can only exercise judgment, and is powerless to execute its judgments without the support of the Executive Branch.

Gov. Bush has the authority to remove Terri, but he is not exercising it because he fears the fallout.


8 posted on 03/28/2005 12:22:37 PM PST by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: YOUGOTIT
If the judge had ruled for leaving the tube in, fewer people here would care. Her husband would be the one complaining about 'rule of the courts'.

It all depends which side you are on.

9 posted on 03/28/2005 12:22:53 PM PST by conserv13
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To: Awestruck

The judge's decision has been upheld by the Supreme Court five times.


10 posted on 03/28/2005 12:24:37 PM PST by conserv13
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To: TheDon

I disagree, the laws are made by the legislature,that's the way it was designed, to have the lawmakers be the group most accountable to the people. For the legislature to make unmake or change a law is perfectly in keeping the "rule of law" For the judiciary to make or change law is NOT. The mandate is only to clarify ambiguities not legislate


11 posted on 03/28/2005 12:24:56 PM PST by traderrob6 (http://www.exposingtheleft.blogspot.com)
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Judging by these quotes (some direct supreme court opinions) judges were never indended to be much more than mediators in our courtrooms. http://www.levellers.org/jrp/orig/jrp.jurquotes.htm

Granted a jury didn't play a part in the Schiavo case but it could have and it should have. A jury would have likely found the law to be guilty and tossed it aside.


Our not knowing the facts has handed the scepter of power to the judiciary who feel ever more comfortable waving it around.


12 posted on 03/28/2005 12:32:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: conserv13

So let's take her life to keep from pissing Mikey off? What pathetic "logic"...


13 posted on 03/28/2005 12:33:05 PM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: conserv13

That doesn't make it RIGHT!


14 posted on 03/28/2005 12:33:53 PM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: Keyes2000mt

The lesson in all this is not to trust your fate to the legal system, medical system, political system -- and certainly not the media, if one wants a rational outcome. It means a need for greater self-sufficiency and self-reliance, which begins of course, by making better discriminations and decisions.

Generally, it is not a good idea to marry the first and only person one ever dates. And then when the marriage goes bad, it's not a waste of the years put into it, to get out of it, at whatever cost, or it could cost you your life. There are no guarantees of a happy outcome -- no matter what the demagogues promise. We all take our best shot and make the best from what we know.

Let her will to live, inspire us to make the most of our own lives.


15 posted on 03/28/2005 12:34:22 PM PST by MikeHu
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To: traderrob6

How can anyone watch these instances of courts overruling each other and claim justice with a straight face. The law is screwed up and lawyers make money off the confusion. The client and public gets screwed.


16 posted on 03/28/2005 12:35:13 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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Unfortunate, but so true. more here
18 posted on 03/28/2005 12:40:28 PM PST by traderrob6 (http://www.exposingtheleft.blogspot.com)
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To: Awestruck
I'm sick of the cowards who hide behind Judge Greer's words...

Me TOO!! great article!!

19 posted on 03/28/2005 12:45:27 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: tomahawk
The most notable clash between the Executive and Judicial brances occurred over the Indian Removal Act in which the Cherokee Nation was forceably displaced from their lands in Georgia. The Cherokee Nation fought the law by challenging it in the Supreme Court.

In Cherokee Nation vs. Georgia (1831), the Supreme Court refused to hear the case on the basis that the Cherokee Nation did not represent a sovereign nation. However, in the case of Worcester vs. Georgia (1832) the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Cherokee. The Supreme Court this time ruled that the Cherokee Nation was sovereign thus making the removal laws invalid. The decision, rendered by Justice John Marshall, declared the forced removal of the Cherokee Nation to be illegal, unconstitutional and against treaties made.

President Andrew Jackson, who had the executive responsibility of enforcement of the laws, stated, "John Marshall has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can.

The republic survived this clash and Jackson's portrait still graces the $20 bill.

20 posted on 03/28/2005 12:50:03 PM PST by Natural Law
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