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What Congress Giveth, Congress Can Taketh Away
GOPUSA email ^ | March 28, 2005 | Kay R. Daly

Posted on 03/28/2005 8:08:28 AM PST by CyberAnt

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To: Modernman
What branch of our government is empowered with deciding the Constitutionality of a law?

All of them, and none of them. All were to only act in a Constitutional manner, none were given a mandate to ram their interpretation down the throats of the others. All the powers delegated to the Federal government are explicitly laid out in the Constitution. (The 10th amendment made that part of the Constitution). I can't find any power to "interpret" the Constitution, nor any mention of a "living document", other than Art V, which lays out the procedure for amending the Constitution. Nothing in Article V about the Supreme Court or any other court doing it on their own.

121 posted on 03/28/2005 4:43:20 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: logic
It's already infringed to near death in most states.... While very tattered, it's not quite so bad off as all that. The dirty little secret is that "assault weapons" are not the weapon of choice to use to overthrow a tyrannical government of the "democratic" (small "d") sort. Unless you mean "assault weapons" of the early 20th century. For details see "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" or "Unintended Consequences".
122 posted on 03/28/2005 4:56:37 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: CyberAnt
Well .. since you went 100 miles around the name of BUSH - then I guess I was right after all.

I knew you'd say that.

123 posted on 03/28/2005 5:03:21 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: El Gato

ROTFLOL!!

You read my mind ..?? Now that's scary! LOL!


124 posted on 03/28/2005 5:37:48 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: El Gato
However I suspect law school might "rub you the wrong way" and you might revert to your "Xena" persona and lop off the professor's head or something.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
125 posted on 03/28/2005 5:47:32 PM PST by Xenalyte (I dare you to make less sense.)
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To: El Gato

I loved 'Unintended Consequences' but I disagree, there is a reason all the militaries of the world employ 'assault weapons'. While they are obviously not the weapon of choice for criminals, they are extremely effective against 'troops' and if there was a revolt we would probably face troops from the UN and a large portion of the current local police forces...


126 posted on 03/29/2005 8:29:27 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: CyberAnt

I just don't see the Republicans getting that majority. Even if they did I don't see any major changes, the Republicans are taking this country the exact same direction as the Democrats have, just at a much slower pace...


127 posted on 03/29/2005 8:31:43 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: logic

Well .. you have exposed the fact that you are not paying attention.

To say Republicans believe and drive this country in any way shape or form toward the same direction the democrats want to take America is just plain ignorance of the world around you. Too bad your screen name doesn't apply to you.


128 posted on 03/29/2005 10:30:51 AM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CyberAnt

I respectfully disagree.

Bush's prescription drug program is the single biggest increase in the federal government in decades, they are not shrinking government in any way shape or form.

Republicans are for less taxes, but the reality is they give a lot less tax breaks than the democrats give tax increases. In the long run Republicans have to grow the tax base to support the additional spending they create and support, so tax breaks are temporary and probably wouldn't happen at all if there were no Democrats waiting in the wings to cancel them...

Most Republicans (meaning the elected officials, not the voters who vote Republican) are for gun control, just not so much at one time as the Democrats because they don't want to piss off their base of support.

There are a few Republicans who care about National Sovereignty and border control, but they are a tiny minority. I beleive most elected Republicans are for world government and happy to hand over our national Sovereignty to the UN, but won't do it openly for fear of rebellion from the armed populous.

Socially, Republicans are conservatives and that's probably the only area Republicans are different than Democrats.

Contrary to your personal attack, I have my eyes open and see clearly, I apply logic to what I see and can reson out consequences to the actions I see. I am not a blind Republican supporter, as you seem to be. I support Republicans because they are the party that most closely represents what I believe in while being electable, but they do not read from the same page I do by any means.


129 posted on 03/30/2005 8:33:26 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: logic

Okay - I would like to respectfully reply to your disagreement.

1st paragraph - Having a 92-yr old mom on medicare - I probably have a different perspective. Without this legislation, my mom could not afford the medications she needs. She's fairly healthy and is still reasonably active - but her arthritus medications are very expensive. Without them she would be bound to a wheelchair. As our nation ages - this will become more expensive - but I don't see any how we cannot help our seniors.

2nd paragraph - The democrats never met a TAX INCREASE they didn't like - and are trying to do the very same with Social Security - by saying that we MUST raise the tax basis which is now 12%. You grow the tax base by having more people working and paying taxes - by corporations expanding their businesses, and paying more taxes. You do those 2 things by giving tax breaks to businesses so they can expand and hire more workers. This would include tax breaks for small business owners - so they can also afford to expand and hire more workers.

This sentence in the 2nd paragraph is boggling my mind: "tax breaks are temporary [only if the congress deems it so] and probably wouldn't happen at all if there were no Democrats waiting in the wings to cancel them... [the remainder of this statement is a double negative so it makes no sense]. Democrats are known for stopping tax breaks from taking place. But .. Kennedy gave a tax break in 1963 - because he understood economics. And .. I have found that the democrats idea of tax breaks is usually put forth with conditions - you have to alter your lifestyle in order to get their tax break. Therefore, there is no REAL tax break at all - just the words saying "tax break" if you have 5 children - earn a certain amount - work a specific job - don't buy a certain product .. etc. So few people qualify for the tax breaks from the democrats that there is no opportunity for the tax base to expand. And .. then there was Bill Clinton's opinion of why he wouldn't give us a tax break - "because you wouldn't know how to spend it correctly". I've never, ever heard any republican make such an arrogant, elitist statement about the American taxpayer.

3rd paragraph - I totally disagree with your assertion that "most" republican leaders are for gun control. The President made a statement that his admin supports the 2nd amendment - and I don't recall hearing any whining about it from any republicans in office.

4th paragraph - Sometimes we can get a distorted view of what republicans believe for 2 reasons - repubs opinions are not important to the MSM - and are therefore ignored or distorted because the MSM wants you to believe that being nationalistic is a bad thing - so they can't have all these republicans all over the TV standing up for America. I read a lot of conservative websights - not CNN - and I read all kinds of activities are going on in border cities and states - which the MSM ignores.

More of 4th paragraph - I don't understand why you believe that the republicans believe in "world government" - they don't. It was the democrats who wanted us to be part of the International Criminal Court - which would allow foreign countries to prosecute our soldiers. President Bush said - NO! Also .. it was Bill Clinton who signed the Kyoto Treaty - which would have forced America to pay millions and millions of dollars to 3rd world countries because America is supposed to be the worlds biggest polluter - NOT TRUE. The congress - thankfully - would not agree with it - and even when the dems tried to bring it back up - President Bush stood firm and said - NO.

And .. I don't understand why you believe that republicans are "happy to hand over our national Sovereignty to the UN, but won't do it openly for fear of rebellion from the armed populous". Where on earth are you getting that information ..?? I don't believe any of those things - and I don't know any republican who does. It was President Bush who went to the UN and told them they were basically irrelevant. And .. it's FOX who is doing the expose' on the UN oil for food mess - and CNN CBS ABC NBC (the democrats) have ignored the reports for months and months. It's the democrats who support the UN (and global dominance) and it was the democrats who FORCED President Bush to go through the UN to wage war on Iraq - even though the Congress had already given him approval. It was John Kerry who wanted to dump the war in Iraq on the UN and bug out of there. The republicans don't want to do that. I personally don't believe the UN is capable of doing very much - and the original intent of the organization is but a shell of it's former self.

It's only liberals who love the UN - conservatives do not. But .. liberals waited through 12 years of resolutions against Iraq - which DID NOTHING. It was not until conservative republicans got involved that things started to change and Iraq was held accountable for it's actions.

5th-6th paragraphs - You said, "Socially, Republicans are conservatives and that's probably the only area Republicans are different than Democrats". Republicans are different on ALL ISSUES.

And .. why are you attacking me by saying I'm a "blind Republican supporter", when you were apparently upset because you thought I attacked you.

#1 - Please stop watching CNN CBS ABC and less NBC - primarily because more than 85% of their people are democrats and already have a slanted view of anything republicans say or do. If you don't have cable - check out a local FOX station and get your news from there. At least it will be more balanced and give you an opportunity to see both sides of the issue.

#2 - Go to RNC.com and sign up for their Research emails. I get emails all the time regarding things the democrats have said this week or this day vs. what they said last week or yesterday. With this inside look at what republicans believe - perhaps you will not think they are so removed from what you believe.

#3 - The liberals of America have a pattern they have followed for years and years. Psychologically it's called "projection". I understand this principal because I was married to a person like this. What these people do is accuse others of doing things that they are actually doing. As an example = when I would come home from work - I would be attacked if I even mentioned the name of another person at work - because I must be having an affair. After so many years of this constant treatment - I divorced - and come to find out - it was my spouse who was doing the cheating - and blaming me for doing it. This type of action is constant by the dems - they say the repubs are a "crooked, lying bunch" - but if you check carefully - more and more dems are being arrested for crooked practices of all kinds. So .. when you hear the dems starting to accuse the repubs of doing something illegal .. or bad for America .. or morally wrong, etc., just recheck the facts and you'll probably find out it's actually the dems who are doing those things.

Please don't misunderstand - there are republicans who do bad things and stupid things. But I didn't see republicans all over the country standing up to defend the recent repub Gov who ended up going to jail. That's a big difference - because the dems always stand up and defend their members acting like their people did nothing wrong - repubs do not do that.

And .. personally .. I was not attacking you when I said your screen name did not match your statements. It was the truth - sorry you took it for an attack.


130 posted on 03/30/2005 12:29:54 PM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CyberAnt

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.

I only watch CNN because it is the only thing we are allowed to see at work(it gets my blood boiling every time and I don't believe a word they say btw) I get my news here on FR.

I pay much more attention to what politicians do than what they say, while most all Republican politicians say they support the basic planks of the Republican party, when the time comes to vote or act on a belief they are not at all consistant (there are exceptions, but we are talking generally here.)

While I see no point in continuing point by point (again I think we agree to disagree) let me respond to the gun control issue: Every Democrat I've heard has claimed to support the 2nd amendment, but once you see their actions (or if you are lucky enough to pin them down and force an explanation of that statement, you find they support the 2nd as they belive it is (i.e most believe it a states right to have a national guard) not a right of you and I to own and carry firearms as the simple right is written. I have found MANY Republicans (some who are excellent on other issues i.e. our Tom Tancradeo is a prime example) who operate exactly the same way, they belive in the 2nd but also believe there has to be limits to the right, once you start introducing limits to a right that shall not be infringed, where does it stop? (hint: it doesn't stop until the right is regulated out of existance)


131 posted on 03/31/2005 8:40:42 AM PST by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: logic

Well .. I guess you're correct - we just have to agree to disagree - since you have not responded to anything I said regarding what you claim are FACTS about republicans.


132 posted on 03/31/2005 9:00:40 AM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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