Did the Jews kill Christ (or was Jesus a Victim of Identity Theft)?

http://www.crosstalk.org ^ | 12/2004 | Dr. Randy Weiss

[Ashamed Canadian]

Last I looked, it was the Romans who crucified Jesus.

[MEGoody]

The Jews didn't kill Jesus. Technically, the pagan Romans did so. However, Jesus told us that He was laying down His life willingly for us, and also said He would take it up again. (And He did!)

[stuartcr]

So, if someone is sincere and has faith, but remains unchanged, then they were not really sincere or had enough faith?

[longtermmemmory]

This is more silliness.

Might as well say Jesus was killed by bipeds.

[quadrant]

The religious establishment in Jerusalem, as opposed to the ordinary people, wanted Jesus executed. Their reasons are multiple, but involve fear, jealously, outrage, and a simple desire to be rid of a Man they considered a trouble maker.
Jesus may have been itinerant, but He was poor by choice. Joseph had a trade, a well-respected one in those days, and enough money to educate Jesus. Had Jesus not been the Son of Man, He could have lived His life as a carpenter, a modest and pious life that would have brought Him respect and honor in Galilee.

[VA Voter]

"The death of Christ was according to God’s sovereign will according to the Scriptures."

Since the Jews and Romans of the time were doing God's will, there can be no blame for anyone who participated in or contributed to Jesus' crucifixion.

Some vile, truly evil person invented this "blame the Jew's" canard to fan the flames of anti-semitism throughout all levels of Christendom.

[Sender]

Lots of people would condemn Him, don't know who would pull the trigger, but someone would. And then He would be back among us again. I'd be amazed.

[Voir Dire]

"Last I looked, it was the Romans who crucified Jesus."

Don't tell the Romans that. The Pope lives there now.
It's easier to scapegoat the Jews.

[stuartcr]

I doubt it would be government sanctioned..that would just be murder, and probably wouldn't have the same impact.

[Just mythoughts]

"I was always taught that it was preordained by God, therefore God killed the Christ."

Really, blaming God for what was done? Preordained by God the event would happen makes God responsible? Interesting isn't it Psalms 22, penned by King David, foretold hundreds of years the event would take place. So it is not as though nobody was not aware, the Romans could claim ignorance but surely that high priest knew what was written, he was a high priest after alll.

[Uri’el-2012]

Bump fo later reading

[meandog]

Balderdash!
Jesus was done in by the Jewish AUTHORITY and NOT the Jews (his disciples); and he was hung on the Cross by the Roman AUTHORITY.
Today he is being killed by secularists (think typical DU poster); by elite theologists (i.e. Rt. Rev. Sprong), by Hollywood types, and by politicians, and by WE sinners.

Incidentally, WE all were there on Calvary on that Good Friday centuries ago...true, not in our present form, but in the form of elements that would one day make up our present form--we are ALL (Jew, Gentile, Moslem) guilty.

[Bryan24]

This is not an attack on Jews. All men are sinful. We all need the blood of Christ for forgiveness.

But the twisting of scriptures for political or secular purposes is truly a waste of time.

The Jews today have no bigger stigma placed on them because of the actions of the Jews who killed Jesus.

[Paulus Invictus]

There are critics that claim that the whole paragraph about Jesus in Josephus' book was added much later to better conform to church history. Has anyone else read and believe that contention?

[stuartcr]

If we were all there in the form of elements, doesn't that make us all the same? Why the big deal about how someone believes?

[hosepipe]

[ So, if someone is sincere and has faith, but remains unchanged, then they were not really sincere or had enough faith? ]

I have no idea...
This the Internet dingaling..
I don't even know if Stu is your name..
I said pray
not search the Internet for life's deepest and most profound questions and answers..
If God is not real he/it won't answer you or you got an answer you didn't like and rejected it..

Pretty simple really.. Metaphorically the sheep and goats are being separated NOW..
Would be nice to know which you are I would think..
Unless your a goat, then you may not care at all.. still a good thing..
Too many goats in among the sheep, there's wolves too..
Ain't easy being a sheep these days.. thats why I say, Pray..
Or not.. your choice..

**Note..
Sheep = Biblical metaphorical reference to followers of the Judeo-Christian God..
Goat = Biblical metaphorical reference to poseurs, actors(hypocrite), nominal believer, groupie...

[meandog]

If we were all there in the form of elements, doesn't that make us all the same? Why the big deal about how someone believes?

Indeed it does...there is no big deal about how someone believes (IMHO, personally because I'm somewhat of a universalist) because somehow God has a plan for all of us to achieve salvation...

[stuartcr]

What animal would someone that just believes in God be?

[Aliska]

Therefore all of us are responsible for His death.

That is true. In the gospel of John, we heard on Good Friday which was a very bad Friday for a lot of us:

John 19:11: (to Pilate) Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delvered me unto thee hath the greater sin."

Also, in John 18:14: "Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people."

Pretty much nails it for me.

[WKB]

So, how can you show someone that you have been saved? How do you convince someone that this is a fact?



The life that I have lived since becoming a Christian
as compared to the life I lived before has convinced
many of my friends and family that I truly had a life
changing experience when I accepted Jesus as my Lord
and Savior.