Did the Jews kill Christ (or was Jesus a Victim of Identity Theft)?

http://www.crosstalk.org ^ | 12/2004 | Dr. Randy Weiss

[meandog]

Then according to the gospel of meandog just which parts of the Bible ARE accurate.

I suppose my "gospel" would require reading the Bible seriously and inspirationally rather than literally (you a Southern Baptist?)... Because, according to literalists, the earth is no more than 5,000 years old; Jonah was swallowed by a giant fish and then spit out after 3 days in its belly; Samson slew a whole host of ancient Israel's enemy with the jawbone of an ass then was zapped by the Lord because he got a haircut...etc., etc., etc. Yes, Jesus was a special man sent by God. But He is an extremely complex and abstract fully human/god who spoke in parables and mystifying hyperbolic analogies. I don't believe we are meant to understand it all...and, as I stated, I am somewhat of a universalist who firmly believes that a loving God would not condemn everyone who doesn't accept Christ as the only "savior". Thank you.

[Cvengr]

fruit of the spirit.

[Blessed]

>How do you know that there even are prerogatives? What would God need with them? <

If we are going to play word games lets change the big word to "what rights does God have" as it is concerns us?Can he expect anything from us as our creator?

[normy]

Yes he did break the Sabbath as did his disciples.

[normy]

2nd Corinthians 8:9 says For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.

Jesus was rich on the earth, he walked in power and never had a want go unsuplied by the Father, thats rich. Jesus, however, walked in humility toward God and was obedient so he would have been humble.

Jesus became poor,sick and sinful on the cross, he was not poor, then on the cross became sin and sick. Jesus had divine wealth, divine health and divine righteousness as a man on the earth. Only on the cross was our sickness, poverty and sin laid on him.

[WKB]

who firmly believes that a loving God would not condemn everyone who doesn't accept Christ as the only "savior". Thank you.

I hope you know you can be sincerely wrong about that.
Thank you.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

"Crucify Him, already! Oyez!"

[antisocial]

He committed no sin, so how did He break the Sabbath? Isn't it considered a sin to break the Sabbath?

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Hey there aren't any facts at all in this article. Of course the Jews killed the Christ. It's all written down there in the Bible. That Jewish fellow Isiah prophesized it for Christ's sake. The Jews Matthew, Mark, John and Luke confirm it for Christ's sake. Even the Super Jew himself Jesus told them they would. It sure as hell wasn't a bunch of Romans that said, "May his blood be upon us then." Those were Jews that said that. Duhhhhhh!

And so what? That Jews killed Christ misses the whole flippin point about the Resurrection don't it. The author missed that little factoid too. Christ ain't dead, he is risen!

[WKB]

Isn't it considered a sin to break the Sabbath?



Not if you are Lord of the Sabbath

Matt. 12:8
"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

[The KG9 Kid]

Every Easter, the same 'Did the Jews kill Jesus?' horseshit.

Thanks zealots, for all that you do.

[normy]

Breaking the Sabbath is against the Law of Moses but it is not sin unless its sin in your heart. Thats the point, Jesus showed that for a righteous man the Ten Commandments do not apply, only for the unrighteous.

Remember Abraham was counted righteous by God because of faith. The Ten Commandments were not even around in Abraham's time. Jesus was also righteous by faith and not by the works of the Law. We should be righteous by faith and not the works of the Law.

According to the Ten Commandments, breaking the Sabbath results in death. Most Christians break the Sabbath every Sunday ( the Sabbath is Saturday) so according to the Ten we should die, which is why we become sick and eventually die, its sin working over a period of time on our bodies. Its not just the Sabbath but covetousness and a all the rest. If we say we live by the Ten and break them we are judged by them, if we live by faith then we are under grace and we don't need to sacrifice an animal because we have a sacrifice in Jesus

The fact is we are all under the bondage of the Law until God brings us out of that bondage and we are taught, by God, how to live by faith like Jesus does.

Sin in the eyes of man may not be sin in the eyes of God. According to the religious leaders, Jesus was a sinner and should be put to death. According to God Jesus was not a sinner and we know this because Gods power was shown through Jesus. Jesus couldn't have performed miracles by himself, he said so himself, but it was the power of God working through him. Jesus was approved of God by mighty signs and wonders.

[stuartcr]

Sorry, I just can't seem to grasp your analogies..what is fruit of the spirit?

[stuartcr]

That was a question, not a word game. How do you know God has prerogatives?

I have no idea what rights God has, as the creator, He makes the rules. I also do not know if He expects anything from us, He made us, so He must know everything about us.

[Blessed]

>I have no idea what rights God has, as the creator, He makes the rules.<

That is the right God has.He makes the rules and yes he does know everything about us.He in fact said in his word(the Bible)that he created us to have a relationship with him.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1Cr 1:9 God [is] faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

[stuartcr]

My mistake, I thought you were talking about specific rights.

We believe differently about the bible.

[antisocial]

So if we live by faith it's ok to break all of the 10 commandments, and we aren't to be held responsible?
I believe I read somewhere that if we love G-d,
we will obey his commandments.

[Blessed]

>We believe differently about the bible.<

How so?

[Blessed]

>Breaking the Sabbath is against the Law of Moses but it is not sin unless its sin in your heart. Thats the point, Jesus showed that for a righteous man the Ten Commandments do not apply, only for the unrighteous.<

This sounds like the argument being made by a lost world.If we don't consider it a sin it is not a sin.Jesus told us the ten commandments do apply but through God's grace we can avoid the eternal punishment.This entire debate is built on a fallacy.It all rests on the assumption Jesus broke the commandment to keep the Sabbath Holy.He was accused of this but none could make the case.

Luk 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?


Luk 13:17 And when he had said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed: and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him.




Luk 14:3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?


Luk 14:4 And they held their peace. And he took [him], and healed him, and let him go;

[stuartcr]

I don't believe that it is the word of God anymore than any other book, although, I do believe that it has some very good lessons to be learned from it, and is a good historical reference.