Report: Jeb Sent Agents to Rescue Terri

News Max ^ | March 26, 2005 | News Max Wire

[kempo]

I've been a cop for over 32 years and I can tell you from experience, any Chief of Police, Sheriff, State Police Director, or any other police administrator is going to abide by the courts I don't care what any Governor says are does.

Now, you see why it is so important who gets appointed to the courts.

[Cherokee Conservative]

Cut off the flow of paychecks to the judge. Lock down his offices, and take control of ALL of his paperwork, which since he is a state employee, belong to the state. Then what? I'm honestly curious and on the side of life, so don't take that as a taunt. What do they do after they lock down the judges office? Can't they just impeach Greer for ignoring a Senate subpoena, and the other judge for not having a de nauvo (?) hearing on the case as the new law passes required? Does your suggestion open the doors to going in and getting Terri, though? The cops are still there and other courts have upheld his ruling. Even if Jeb does that he still has to do something else. Could the Dems later turn around and do the same thing to conservative judges? Lots of questions in all this. I'm in total agreement that drastic change will only come with drastic action though. Look how long our judiciary has been working on usurping all power. Please don't mistake me for someone that doesn't think Terri needs to be saved from death by starvation.

[Cherokee Conservative]

Ah good, a cop. :) Several people have been suggesting sending the national guard in. I've been asking what would happen then. What would the cops do if, like during the Civil Rights movement, the governor sent in the national guard and took custody of Terri? Would they stand down, or would there just be a standoff?

[eeriegeno]

Re: judges have the power over law enforcement which wouldn't be a problem if we didn't have a run away judiciary that legislates from the Bench and pushes their political agenda. Guess that's where the need for change comes in. Maybe it'll wake people up. Next time the Dems filibuster a judge, maybe they'll get a different response from the public.

Historical facts are that liberal presidents nominate liberal judges 100% of the time and conservative presidents nominate a mixture (to be fair of course) of conservative, liberal, and moderate judges. Guess how the courts get stacked by liberal activist judges!!! Then add the filibuster factor.......

[kempo]

Well Cherokee that is not going to happen because we don't live in a banana republic. If you remember, during the time your talking about, the National Guard was Federalized and the governor of Alabama turned tail and ran. Federal Marshals were sent in to take charge. No governor has ever tried that again. Oh, by the way, integration was an order of the COURT.

[bust]

Given everything else we've see, would it surprise you if he blocked her entrance to heaven and sent her to Hell? In fact, I'm not sure he's not Satan.

[HoundsTooth_BP]

It was an order of the Court, but it took the power of the executive to see it enforced. The governor flatly refused to submit to Court authority and no power in the state could resist him, it took the President of the United States weilding Constitutional powers to see the Court's order fulfilled. The Court has neither sword nor purse, merely judgement.

[bust]

Well said. If Jeb had taken a stand, he might have had a prayer in '08. Many Republicans just kissed their '08 chances goodbye with this disaster.

I can hear it now in a debate..."Bill Frist/Tom DeLay/insert name couldn't save the life of Terri Schaivo as Senate Leader...what makes you think he could run a country?" Game...Set...Match.

[kempo]

That is exactly what the governor of Florida is doing now. He is abiding by the courts order, damn.

[Cherokee Conservative]

While you're doing "oh by the ways", the courts unanimously agreed that blacks were only 3/4ths of a person REMEMBER. We faught a civil war over it. The courts aren't always right. I guess we should have just accepted the 3/4ths of a person idea hu? Force has been used against court orders and states rights before, and can be again, so to claim it's not possible goes against history. I don't know what the right thing to do is, but I know allowing the undesirables to be killed by starvation is wrong. We can either have some states that Euthenize people who can't talk and some states that don't, or the feds can get involved and protect life while teaching the judiciary anther lesson. Making blacks 3/4ths of a person doesn't make it so, and giving a court order to withhod food and water from a person doesn't make it right.

[kempo]

Ok, I give up. Ya'll have a nice day.

[HoundsTooth_BP]

The executive, in this case, has Constitutional powers that he can use, but isn't using. The Courts do not have the power to stop him. That is just within the state of Florida. If we go into the law passed by Congress and the hearing that was called by Congress then we're talking about an even more disturbing usurptation of the Courts.

[virgil]

I hear tha schiavo has a really nice house for just on a nurses pay too.

[virgil]

We sometimes need to criticize our own party if we want them to change their ways or start listening to us

I would start by saying that Republicans looked like some real wimp cases this week

[festus]

.."Real power is not given....IT'S TAKEN!"

Precisely.

Andrew Jackson didn't ask the courts permission when he said "The court has ruled now lets see them enforce it." And went blithely along about his business as if the court never existed.

The republic survived that as it would have this.

[jeremiah]

I honestly do not know, but if public embarrassment and financial difficulty were all I could do, so be it. The man has a record, I would show the citizens of the state every mistake he ever made, and do it on the six o'clock news. The biggest problem in this country is the judiciary, and neither the President or anyone else is bringing the bully pulpit to bear on this. They talk about how conservatives need to be elected, so as to appoint "good" judges, but they don't tell us why. Many people could not care less about Roe v Wade, but tell them how this ruling changed things forever by inventing a "right", and framing it so it hits home, is the Presidents job. No one else can do it like he can. I replied to you because you were active, and had more cogent opinions than anyone else.

This discussion in how to rein in the judges, has to take place. It is THE most important debate of all time. EVERY problem that we face as a people, and a nation comes down to one thing, judges. Sex offenders on the street, murderers getting death penalties and living 10 years on our dime. Every time there is a problem that seems nearly impossible to solve, look up and find a lawyer and a judge.

[An American Patriot]

Amen, my friend. My sentiments exactly.

Here is a copy of a letter I just sent to the Chief of Police of Pinellas Park:

Dear Chief Thomas:

In as much as we have been inundated with media coverage with the Terri Schiavo state of affairs, one aspect seems to have escaped scrutiny (and of which I am certain you and your department, no doubt are relieved) and that is the role you and your department have played in assisting this state-sanctioned “execution.”

In my opinion (and that of many others) you and your “blue shirts” are complicit and an accessory (both before an after the fact) to the taking of an innocent human life by facilitating this mockery of what passes for jurisprudence in your jurisdiction.

If there have been any of your officers who have refused duty in order to protect the rights of Michael Schiavo while arresting any one who might have attempted to come to Terri’s rescue (including children) then this has been kept very quiet.

I find it hard to believe that there is not ONE officer who—based on moral, legal or ethical position—has not declined to be part of this travesty.

I can imagine that you and those who have provided “defense” and “protection” would reply that you were all simply “following orders”—regardless whose they may be.

That is the same retort/excuse/defense that the Brown/Black shirts attempted to use at the Nuremberg trials. “I was just following orders.” “Jawol, Mein Fuehrer.”

German SS Oath

"I swear to you Adolf Hitler, as Leader and Chancellor of the Reich, loyalty and valor. I vow to you and all those you place over me obedience until death, so help me God."

Being a Vietnam Vet and having served in the military for 8 years, I know that even a lowly recruit has the duty (and obligation) to refuse to carry out an order if they believe it to be unlawful or illegal. In the end, they have to justify their actions and may end up being court-martialed and could even be imprisoned—or in time of war—shot.

You and your “goons” on the other hand, stand to be—worst case scenario—demoted, or fired. That is, if none of you prevailed after litigation and other legal challenges.

I do not know the organizational structure in Florida. However, I find it hard to believe that a lowly probate judge (Greer) has the authority to command an autonomous municipality such as Pinellas Park, to obey his court instructions. Perhaps he may, but if not, then it stands to reason that someone else (the mayor, city council, etc.) are providing you with your “marching orders.”

Notwithstanding who has given the orders, it is shameful conduct on the part of you and your department.

Most Police Departments in the USA, operate under the banner of: “To Serve and PROTECT.” I guess your department has no such allegiance or pledge.

If I am mistaken, then it must be that somehow, this Michael Schiavo has some exalted powers, as it appears when there are any questions it is he who your officers call for permission or authorization.

For your information, it is illegal in the State of Florida to starve an animal.

The 2004 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI

CRIMES Chapter 828

ANIMALS: CRUELTY; SALES; ANIMAL ENTERPRISE PROTECTION


828.12 Cruelty to animals.--

(1) A person who unnecessarily overloads, overdrives, torments, DEPRIVES OF NECESSARY SUSTENANCE, shelter, or unnecessarily mutilates, or kills any animal, or causes the same to be done, or carries in or upon any vehicle, or
otherwise, any animal in a cruel or inhumane manner, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 (SEE BELOW) or by a fine of not more than $5,000, or both. (EMPHASIS ADDED)

CRIMES Chapter 775

DEFINITIONS; GENERAL PENALTIES; REGISTRATION OF CRIMINALS

s. 775.082 (a) For a misdemeanor of the first degree, by a definite term of IMPRISONMENT not exceeding 1 year (EMPHASIS ADDED)

Now is that not simply wonderful. Starve an animal in Florida and stand at risk of going to jail for a year. However, starve a human being and not only is this sanctioned, but you and your department are doing (and have done) everything possible to “aid and abet” this “murder.”

Here in Vermont, a man was convicted cruelty to animals for starving his cows.

Christian DeNeergaard pleaded guilty to five misdemeanor counts of animal cruelty in January. He received a suspended one-year sentence as well as 30 days of work crew assignment as part of a deal with prosecutors. In October, 2004, then-Washington County State's Attorney Tom Kelly said he would seek at least some jail time for animal neglect, which claimed the lives of at least 11 cows.

"We think some jail time is appropriate," said Kelly in an October interview. "The cows suffered tremendously."


Where are your (and your officers’) ethics? Where is your sense of duty? Where does your responsibility to follow orders of the court(s) or superiors end and a duty to a higher authority begin?

If what I read in The Miami Herald is true and a team of Florida Department of Law Enforcement agents were on their way to seize Terri, but "stopped short" when told that local police officers “would enforce a judge's order against removing her,” then I can only assume they were referring to you and your “officers.”

It is unfortunate that they (FDLE) “blinked.” It would have been most interesting to see if you and your “thugs” would actually have threatened fellow law enforcement officials with bodily harm? It certainly appears that way.

It is also unfortunate that Governor Bush does not have the fortitude and resolve to call out the National Guard to enforce the State Constitution and its provisions of which he took an oath to uphold. I would dearly love to have witnessed your “local yokels” try and prevent them from performing their “duties.”

It has been many years since I visited Florida and I had contemplated doing so again in the future. Now, I will have to think long and hard before I decide to do so and if I should, I will definitely never set foot in your county or town and regardless of the other “niceties” it affords its “seasoned citizens” (of which due to my age, I qualify) I would never entertain the thought of retiring in your state.

I also happen to be Catholic and it is reported that your “brown shirts” will to the end, uphold their “duty,” and enforce Michael Schiavo’s order that Terri not be given Holy Communion as part of her last rites, nor today, Easter, as her faith declares she should do.

How proud you all must be of your conduct! There are many villains in this still-to-be-finalized saga.

Nevertheless, I count you and your department as one of the worst. I hope all of you can sleep well after this is all over and are at peace with your consciences—if any of you even have one.
Sincerely,

Should anyone else be so inclined to express their opinions to the Chief of Police in Pinellas Park, here is her name and address:

Chief Dorene Thomas
dthomas@pinellas-park.com

http://www.pinellas-park.com/Police/officeofchief.asp