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Iranian Alert - March 26, 2005 - Why does Iran want Cruise Missiles?
Regime Change Iran ^ | 3.26.2005 | DoctorZin

Posted on 03/26/2005 3:13:27 PM PST by DoctorZIn

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1 posted on 03/26/2005 3:13:41 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 03/26/2005 3:15:50 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

Definitely for use against Israel.


3 posted on 03/26/2005 3:21:16 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

Why dose Iran want Cruise Missles?

Maybe they want to kill Terri Schiavo.


Sorry.


4 posted on 03/26/2005 3:30:42 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Everyone thinks Iran's cruise missiles are for carrying nukes. Maybe.
I think they're for carrying bio/chem warheads.
5 posted on 03/26/2005 3:33:48 PM PST by StormEye
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To: DoctorZIn

Bump!


6 posted on 03/26/2005 3:38:21 PM PST by windchime (Hillary: "I've always been a preying person")
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To: StormEye

IMO they are for carrying whatever Iran has to put on them.


7 posted on 03/26/2005 3:45:11 PM PST by OK
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To: Mrs Mark

Actually, an Iranian friend asked me, "Why are you killing that woman in Florida?" "Why doesn't Pres. Bush stop that?"

That's the 'take' from an outsider. Hard questions to answer and try to explain, too.


8 posted on 03/26/2005 4:21:15 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert
That's the 'take' from an outsider. Hard questions to answer and try to explain, too.

Short answer, the Constitution limits the power of the government.

Her family, legally that is her husband, made a decision, (Glad I'm not in his shoes.), and because we are a nation of laws, we have to live within them, even if it seems to stink sometimes.

9 posted on 03/26/2005 4:33:20 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Mrs Mark

Sure, sounds easy. But the person recognizes that what the State is doing is Killing one of it's innocent citizens. They recognized it as State sponsored murder. Which it is. And that doesn't go over real big in Iran.


10 posted on 03/26/2005 4:36:41 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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11 posted on 03/26/2005 4:39:12 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert
Sure, sounds easy. But the person recognizes that what the State is doing is Killing one of it's innocent citizens. They recognized it as State sponsored murder. Which it is. And that doesn't go over real big in Iran.

An Islamic state / society that stones women to death for being raped is concerned about killing innocent people?

The State is not killing Terri. I wish she would wake up just as much as anyone. The government does not have the power to interfere with the judgment of the husband. He could of avoided this situation by having one last cat-scan done to answer everyones concerns.

12 posted on 03/26/2005 4:49:54 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Mrs Mark

"An Islamic state / society that stones women to death for being raped is concerned about killing innocent people? "

Society didn't ask me, a friend did. But the friend is representative of the majority of Iranians in Iran today.

Maybe you don't read the Iran threads much. The vast majority of Iranians want a secular, democratic type gov't. They hate the mullahs, and the stoning, and the lashing, and the torture and the killing.


13 posted on 03/26/2005 4:57:10 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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The vast majority of Iranians want a secular, democratic type gov't. They hate the mullahs, and the stoning, and the lashing, and the torture and the killing.

Well if the majority want a secular government what are they waiting for? I wish them luck. My view is Iran was rapidly moving to the modern world, under the Shaw, and that led the hard liners to revolt. Again If the Iranians want freedom, they are going to have to realize Israel is not the cause of their problems, it's the dictatorship they support.

14 posted on 03/26/2005 5:22:25 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Mrs Mark

The Iranian people don't think Israel is the cause of their problems. That's the mullahs.
And the vast majority of the people DO NOT support the government.


15 posted on 03/26/2005 5:31:15 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

I wanted to make a comment on the cruise missles, but first I want to digress a little (well, more than a little, I guess) :

In regards to this shameful Terri Schiavo deal-

1) The most troubling thing is that her husband does not seem to have had her best interests are heart, ever. And that's the nicest, most polite way I can put it.

2) Just as troubling is that she isn't brain dead (though that's what Dean called Republicans last week!), nor in a vegetative state, from what I see from the great amount I've read. Even if you disagree, I must point out there there is not consensus opinion. Yes, she is most definitely heavily disabled. But shouldn't we err on the side of life, like the President says? I have major problems with the elements of the government in this country effectively ruling that some people don't have the right to live. This introduces the slippery slope of where the division of mercy and murder is.

3) For our Iranian friends, this is actually good in a very perverse way. In a democracy, no one has absolute power. The governor and the President, brothers united, are powerless to stop her death. A lesson in democracy.



OK, I'll move on to the cruise missles. I apologize for the way off-topic remarks. But since I was already discussed previously, I just thought I'd share my two cents (with my tie-in to Iran)...

Iran probably originally intended to use the cruise missles with nuclear warheads. But I don't believe that they will used that way. If Iran ever uses them, I believe the warheads will consist of conventional high-explosives. I believe that Iran, if they ever use them, will use them to try to sink the ships blockading Iran, hopefully later this summer or fall. Should they succeed in sinking a US Navy ship, I can only pray that Bush will remain cool enough not to attack Iran. True, it would be an act of war, but so is the blockade. The blockade is infinitely more destructive than a bombing raid on an Iranian military installation. This reminds me of World War II, near the end, when we closing in on Japan in early 1945, as I recall. American ships were constantly being blown up by the Japanese as we were building up our forces in the region, as I remember. The point is, we had more ships there than the Japanese could blow up with their kamakize pilots. Iran probably has the firepower to sink the entire blockading fleet (torpedoes, cruise missles, USS Cole-style attacks). We just have to stop enough of them, and be able to tough it out long enough. And have enough ships there.

We've proven in Iraq that Americans, contrary to prior Middle-Eastern opinion, are able to take casualties when their leaders and politicians let them. Perhaps we'll prove it again in Iran. American failures in war are very rarely the actual warrior's faults. It is their leaders. We won WWII because for the most part, American leaders were resolved to win the war, no matter what the cost (such as nearly a half-million American deaths). However, in the postwar era, that has often not been the case. But not in Iraq, fortunately. Bush could have pulled out of Iraq a year ago and probably won re-election more comfortably, but he didn't.


16 posted on 03/26/2005 6:54:00 PM PST by JWojack (Faster please.)
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To: DoctorZIn; nuconvert

I have a question. Let's assume the EU-led negotiations on Iranian nukes are failing and we have to take action. We bomb all known Iranian nuclear related sites to try and set back the Iranian fuel enrichment programs, etc. In the process we kill a few hundred seemingly innocent Iranian civilians. What will the reaction be on the streets of Teheran and throughout the rest of Iran?


17 posted on 03/26/2005 7:08:46 PM PST by fiftymegaton
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To: fiftymegaton

That's hard to answer. I think it might depend on what leads up to it.
Let's hope it doesn't come to that.


18 posted on 03/26/2005 8:40:52 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

Well IMO at this point it seems to be a very likely option(even if it's a year from now) if not THE most likely option. I don't see how the negotiations can be successful and we certainly can't let Iran get the bomb which they are desperately trying to manufacture. Bombing their nuclear facilities will undoubtably kill hundreds of innocents as some of the nuclear sites are reported to be dug in under residential areas. This may be the reason we haven't done it already because we know we would kill hundreds of civilians and we know doing so might change the political scenario in the country by driving more support to the mullahs and stifling the democracy movement. If this is the case then we need a massive covert program setup to help the pro-democracy forces in Iran. Enough so that they can topple the government within 12-18 months. Also if we are ruling out bombing the nuclear facilities then I hope the massive covert operation is already underway.


19 posted on 03/26/2005 9:39:38 PM PST by fiftymegaton
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To: DoctorZIn

To use against American troops in Iraq next door. Israel is a tempting target, but the US is a much larger threat. To test this idea just ask where they are sending their suicide bombers now, Iraq or Israel?


20 posted on 03/27/2005 5:29:25 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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