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In a Polarizing Case, Jeb Bush Cements His Political Stature
The New York Times ^ | March 25, 2005 | ADAM NAGOURNEY

Posted on 03/24/2005 10:10:41 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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To: Fenris6
Yeah poor Jeb can't win.

Nothing short of Jeb rolling up to the hospice in a national guard tank with guns blazing will appease the radicals around here.

After everyone sees how the pro-life movement excoriates Jeb and GW for not tearing up the Constitution and acting like Afghan warlords, the pro-life movement will be a pariah in not only the rat party but the republican party as well.

And that stinks. But thats what happens when you kick the very people who have helped you the most, I guess.

241 posted on 03/25/2005 3:08:35 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: hatfieldmccoy

"So what exactly did Gov Bush do other than to further certify that the executive and legislative branches of government have yet again been rendered irrelevant by the judiciary. The NYT applauds good intentions over action."

That's what he did.


242 posted on 03/25/2005 3:09:35 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (60 votes and the world changes.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Because he refuses to act in the face of the court order.

Carolyn

243 posted on 03/25/2005 3:15:06 AM PST by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: OH Swing Voter
Very well put. Soon it will be time to take on the judicial system of our country. They are the guilty.

Red

244 posted on 03/25/2005 3:18:50 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (God bless America...land that I love...stand beside her and guide her...)
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To: OH Swing Voter; pc93; Drk4The1; phenn; Canadian Outrage

> Legally, I am not sure if pardon applies

Here's what's in Florida's Constitution on the subject of pardons.

SECTION 8. Clemency.--
(a) Except in cases of treason and in cases where impeachment results in conviction, the governor may, by executive order filed with the custodian of state records, suspend collection of fines and forfeitures, grant reprieves not exceeding sixty days and, with the approval of two members of the cabinet, grant full or conditional pardons, restore civil rights, commute punishment, and remit fines and forfeitures for offenses.

Traditionally, there's a perception that pardons are associated with criminal behavior, which is why the requirement of approval from two members of the governor's cabinet. The operative word is perception. As you can see from the above construction, criminal acts are not linked to granting of pardons. Since criminality is not involved in Terri's situation, it's entirely reasonable to believe that approval would be a slam dunk.
Since use of the pardon function has not heretofore been mentioned, I'm suspicious that there's a sinister, unspoken-of agenda here.

> it is not as though she is being punished for a crime for which a pardon would lift the punishment.

She is being executed--capital punishment. Incidentally, Florida law allows only two modes of execution; lethal injection and the electric chair. I've been told the electric chair is now prohibited as being too cruel. Yet an innocent person is being subjected to a mode of execution not permitted for murderers. Because she being punished by a civil order for execution, Gov. Bush most certainly could grant a pardon.
Look at how JINO Greer has bent, folded, spindled and mutilated Florida laws to achieve his objectives to protect the HINO/Felos/Greer triumvar. The above wording is ample enough for Bush to utilize -- if he's truly concerned about saving Terri.


245 posted on 03/25/2005 3:33:15 AM PST by l.tecolote (doing what I can from California)
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To: Darkwolf377
Most people around here seem to think less of Jeb now, for some reason.

Well-reasoned clarity here:

The Right to Life: Protecting One Woman

246 posted on 03/25/2005 3:56:28 AM PST by tomkat
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To: Lancey Howard
Only a scumbag Democrat rag like the NY Times could spin the end of the cowardly Jeb Bush's political career as an increase in "stature".

Speaking of scumbag Democrats, how's your week going?

247 posted on 03/25/2005 8:43:15 AM PST by JohnnyZ (Lancey Howard is an idiot)
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99

Very well put. People seem to think politicians are gods or superheroes, when in fact they serve the law. The law is NOT about getting our way every time; the law is a framework, a system we agree to abide by even if we don't like the results. When we go by the law when we like the result and break it when we don't, there's no reason to have laws.


248 posted on 03/25/2005 9:39:17 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (An agnostic against abortion and "assisted suicide" based on hearsay)
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To: RasterMaster

me too. While I'm a little disappointed that Jeb didn't act as quickly as I feel he lead us to believe, I don't hate him...I just feel sorry for everyone involved...This hurts us a lot more than it hurts the left..who are rejoicing in Terri's death.


249 posted on 03/25/2005 9:43:01 AM PST by smiley
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To: JohnnyZ

You forgot the (/6-year-old) at the end of your post.
Other than that, it was the same clever and witty stuff you usually puke around here.

Have a nice life.


250 posted on 03/25/2005 12:01:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard (tick.... tick.... tick.... tick)
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To: Fenris6

not to worry, this too will pass

the proclamations of damage to the
Republican Party are just wishful thinking by the DhimmoRats.

when its time to circle the wagons, we will all be there


251 posted on 03/25/2005 12:09:04 PM PST by kralcmot (save us all, fight for Terri's right to Life)
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To: Former Military Chick
but it has cemented the religious and social conservative credentials

The NYT Seal of Approval. Start looking for a retirement community, Jeb.
252 posted on 03/28/2005 6:04:23 AM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: farmer18th

Did you read the Freeper poll on this? 28% of Freepers have lost a great deal of respect and the majority believe he should have defied Judge Greer? Are we conservatives first and Bush supporters second--or is it the other way around?


253 posted on 03/28/2005 6:27:56 AM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: MHGinTN

Even the NYT knows the push polls are fakes. This is not a loss for republicans in the political sense. The leftists are spining overtime to say this does not matter. One FNC talking head said Hitlary was smart to protect herself by staying in NY.


254 posted on 03/28/2005 6:56:58 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Talking heads are claiming the only good that will come of this horrid episode is that folks will write living wills. Sadly, there is another very important issue they could focus upon, if they were so inclined and not spinning the truth to fit a societal engineering world view.

Terri's plight, her execution by a circuit court judge and the rubber stamping of the judge's ruling regarding which evidence will be allowed into the record --to fit the outcome he preordained-- will now have focus and will lead to a battle of governmental branches, if legislators will step up and do what they've been elected to do.

I pray that this battle leads to the legislative branches reigning in the judiciary, perhaps even resulting in U.S. Legislation that ANY court ruling like Greer's will have a de novo review prior to a judge having the power to order the execution of a non-criminal, disabled person. THAT will be a truly lasting gift Terri's heinous execution could have for the rest of her nation.

255 posted on 03/28/2005 8:36:08 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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