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Conservatives Split in Debate on Curbing Illegal Immigration
Washington Post ^ | Friday, March 25, 2005 | By Shailagh Murray

Posted on 03/24/2005 9:14:02 PM PST by Conservative Firster

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To: teech
You are not missing anything. In fact, the 'Conventional Wisdom' of being soft on Immigration so as to avoid alienating minority/Immigrant voters is the biggest joke of all - Used to excuse some Republican's softness on the issue during campaign time.

Studies I've seen show what any thinking person would expect and that is legal Mexicans don't like Illegal Mexicans any more than any other US Worker. In fact, the Legal Mexican is very likely competing with the Illegal for some of the same work and they bear the hardest brunt of the flood of Illegals overwhelming the menial jobs sector.

21 posted on 03/24/2005 9:52:59 PM PST by drt1
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To: Conservative Firster

BTTT


22 posted on 03/24/2005 9:57:00 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: GABaptist
I am not that sure the House can block open borders/amnesty bills.

Tom Tancredo said open borders/amnesty bills such as the one being cooked up by McCain and Kennedy can be attached to a "must pass" bill in the Senate. Then the "must pass" bill is sent to a conference committee were the House and Senate come up with a common bill. The common bill is sent to the House floor for an up and down vote. Then President Bush can organize a coalition of open borders Republicans and Democrats and get the needed votes for passage.

23 posted on 03/24/2005 10:07:04 PM PST by Conservative Firster
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To: teech

What nobody talks about is that illegals & imports from china are being used by politicians to hide the fact that they've been printing money like it's going out of style. Depressed costs due to illegal labor and depressed product prices from china hide the actual amount of inflation.


24 posted on 03/24/2005 10:18:47 PM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: GABaptist
This is an issue where president Bush has really let his supporters down.We are fighting a war against scumbag terrorist who we know will take advantage of our weak border security in order to sneak into our country and kill us. It's totally outrageous that the president is aware of all this danger and yet he continues to do absolutely nothing about it.We are also watching our country be overrun by illegal aliens who are putting our health care system as well as our public school system under so much stress that they might collapse.If the president wants the republican party to remain in control of the government he better wake up and seal our border before a disaster strikes.
25 posted on 03/24/2005 10:29:54 PM PST by rdcorso (We Are A Nation Fighting Against The Deadly Disease Of Liberalism)
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To: rdcorso
I suspect and fear that the reality of nowhere else to go will tempt W to finesse this issue. The thinking is Hillary or a Pro-Amnesty Rep. Talk about a dilemma.
26 posted on 03/24/2005 10:36:05 PM PST by drt1
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To: Conservative Firster
Conservatives Split in Debate on Curbing Illegal Immigration

They'd better damn not be split. I live with a Dem who's no more for illegal immigration that I.

27 posted on 03/24/2005 10:37:36 PM PST by LNewman
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To: LNewman

that I = than I .. than me .. whatever ... off to lalaland.


28 posted on 03/24/2005 10:41:42 PM PST by LNewman
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To: GABaptist

Absolutely correct. However, I take issue with the Post's
byline. "Conservatives" are NOT split but some politicians
are. Bush obviously believes that a foreign invasion is
perfectly acceptable. He ignores the bankrupt school
districts, insolvent hospitals, and higher taxes needed
for social welfare services and prison incarceration.
He ignores the danger that out-of-control borders present
to national security. BUT - the most important thing is
that 70% of Americans object to this INSANE and SUICIDAL
policy. WE are not split - the political hacks are!


29 posted on 03/24/2005 10:51:46 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: drt1

"Yep. I will sit out or Third Party depending on how the Illegal thing is worked out. The arrogance is monumental IMO. My Rep. neighbors feel very much the same way."

I think a lot of people are starting to feel that way. Terrorism is my number one issue and I can't see myself getting behind any candidate that isn't serious about border security. Looks like Hilary is going to cherrypick big time if the party doesn't step up on this issue.


30 posted on 03/24/2005 10:56:44 PM PST by MonaMars
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To: drt1
Yep. I will sit out or Third Party depending on how the Illegal thing is worked out.

Same here, I won't vote for traitors.

31 posted on 03/24/2005 11:05:22 PM PST by Petruchio (... .--. .- -.-- / .- -. -.. / -. ..- - . .-. / .. .-.. .-.. . --. .- .-.. ...)
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To: MonaMars
" Looks like Hilary is going to cherrypick big time if the party doesn't step up on this issue."

I'm very certain she and any other Dem potentials are watching very closely and waiting to pounce. If a thinly veiled Amnesty policy is adopted on W's watch you can bet it will be a winner for them.

A policy that is anything less than serious Border Security, imposition of stiff penalties for employers and curtailing the social benefits available to Illegals will cause evaporation of the 2004 mandate. (IMHO)

32 posted on 03/24/2005 11:08:06 PM PST by drt1
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To: MonaMars

I believe it was Boss Tweed who said, "I don't care who does the voting, as long as I get to do the nominating".


33 posted on 03/25/2005 3:15:50 AM PST by David Isaac
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To: Conservative Firster
One camp wants to tighten borders and deport people who are here illegally; the other seeks to bring illegal workers out of the shadows and acknowledge their growing economic importance.

HEY MORONS WHY NOT DO BOTH!?!?!??!??!?

More legal immigration! Guest worker program!

Zero tolerance for illegals!

34 posted on 03/25/2005 8:01:17 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: teech
It's supply-&-demand: if there's more supply relative to demand, price (wages) goes down.

If it was a zero-sum game you'd be right. But economics moved past that faulty assumption hundreds of years ago. You might think about doing so yourself.

35 posted on 03/25/2005 8:03:55 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: teech
Can anyone explain me what the arguments are in favor of amnesties, "guest worker" programs, etcetcetc? Even aside from the obvious security risks -- terror, drugs, organized crime.

Well, I think it goes something like this. We have 10 million + illegal aliens in the country and have no idea who they are. This represents a significant national security threat. Issuing these people guest workers cards would allow the government to complete background checks and track these people.

Providing aliens the ability to obtain a guest worker prior to entry would take pressures of the Border Patrol and allow them to focus on preventing terrorists, criminals, drugs and WMDs from entering the country. The current flow of illegal workers creates a substantial opportunity for terrorists to exploit. Strictly from a border security perspective it’s a good idea.

Like it or not, illegals are part of the economy and they are not going away. The special interest groups on both the right and the left simply have too much collective power to permit a round up. Thus the flow needs to be managed. The current situation is a formula for disaster and is the worst of all possible policies.

I don’t necessarily agree with all these issues, but these are the talking points in support of the initiative, as I understand them.

36 posted on 03/25/2005 8:20:47 AM PST by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: GABaptist
No guest worker program!

Right on!
37 posted on 03/25/2005 3:00:47 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Conservative Firster; Howlin; hchutch
As Rush said the other day: Leave it to the liberal media to home in on and hone any supposed fissure in conservatism and to amplify it, while ignoring any rifts among the liberals.

Most of these single-issue partisans, whose single issue is usually the Chicken-Little of Falling Skies, are not very faithful party members anyway. I would wager that more than half of them did not vote straight Republican in the past 4 election cycles, in both the primaries and general elections.

38 posted on 03/25/2005 3:16:12 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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