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Thomas Sowell: Killing Terri Shiavo
Townhall.com ^ | March 24, 2005 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 03/24/2005 3:26:10 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past

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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

What is being kept alive artificially is the liberal media version of events. One side of this story is being repeated endlessly, as if it were gospel, but anyone saying something different -- including doctors and nurses who have actually seen or taken care of Terri Schiavo -- is unlikely to be reported.

As usual.

101 posted on 03/24/2005 5:05:33 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: rdb3

Indeed.

We are assured (I can almose hear the dulcet tones), that this is simply a case of Terri being allowed to refuse medical treatment. Really, that's the legal issue, which Judge Greer decided based on testimony from Michael and his witnesses that Terri had made casual comments noting that she wouldn't want to be hooked up to a machine. No big deal, why get all excited?

Well, I'll even concede that's the legal issue, but in this case, THE LAW IS WRONG.

The state is allowing the killing of a woman who has committed no crime, who was not terminally ill, who was not in pain, who had left no clear, uncoerced written "living will", and was not on "life support".

If that ain't clearly wrong, I don't know what is.

Sad to say, it looks like Terri's troubles are just about over. But we can't forget this. Things have to change.


102 posted on 03/24/2005 5:06:08 PM PST by absalom01
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To: winstonchurchill

So who is making things up now?


103 posted on 03/24/2005 5:06:20 PM PST by politeia
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To: jwalsh07

Wow. I didn't know the parents had requested a separate motion to give Terri food and water by natural means and that it was denied. Can you explain why he denied this motion by the parents? And why hasn't the media reported this?


104 posted on 03/24/2005 5:07:53 PM PST by I want to know
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To: winstonchurchill
So, you're at home with the concept that US Marshalls and state troopers ought to be the personal goon squads of whoever happens to be president or governor?

I'm assuming you are just ignorant, and not an idiot, so I will try to have a measure of patience with you. OF COURSE WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS. What's happening here is a conspiracy to commit murder by the judiciary! Who else do we look to to address that but the executive branch of government? That is so far from a "goon squad" it doesn't dignify any further comment, but you're going to get it anyway: Do you even know what "checks and balances" are supposed to mean between three EQUAL branches of government? Have conservatives become so "conservative" that they meekly bow before judges and kiss their pontifical rings? I'm sorry, but timid, weak, effeminiate conservatives like you make me sick to my stomach. Honestly.
105 posted on 03/24/2005 5:12:05 PM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: lonestar

I was listening to Dr. Bill Bennett on his radio show earlier this a.m., and he stated that if he was the Governor, he would use the State Police or the National Guard to remove her from the hospice, even if it meant the risk of impeachment. I'm afraid that that is what it comes down to for our political leaders. If they really believe in their heart of hearts that this is a state sponsored killing of an innocent human being, than they must put that believe above any considerations of their future political career. I'm disappointed to have to say that the same can also be said with regard to W's lack of action. If I recall, when Janet Reno snatched Elian Gonzalez, she did not have full approval of the courts. Sometimes you have to act, and sort it out later.


106 posted on 03/24/2005 5:13:30 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: Tax-chick
He is America's greatest living intellectual.

You are absolutely right. Thomas Sowell is America's greatest living intellectual. And totally unrecognized because he is blak and doesn't fit the MSM's vision of what black people are supposed to be.

107 posted on 03/24/2005 5:14:09 PM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: winstonchurchill

Wanna take the challenge? I thought not. More fun to make things up, isn't it?

From Abstract.com:

"Another motion resolved last week was the Schindlers' motion to permit Terri to be given food and water orally once the feeding tube is discontinued. You can read that motion here from the Terri's Fight site. The motion included the following lines:

"Discontinuing her "artificial life support" in the form of assisted feeding should not also automatically sentence her to death. Instead, Terri should be permitted to attempt to eat and drink by natural means. Ill people often get well, or at least get better. The opportunity to attempt to feed Terri by natural means may demonstrate Terri is able to swallow and to eat and drink naturally.

"In denying this motion, Judge Greer stated wrote that the motion appeared to ask for an experimental procedure and that the documents provided in support of this motion were the same ones provided with another motion based on new medical evidence. The court ruled that this motion was thus duplicative and that whether new tests should be conducted will stand or fall with the other pending motion. You can read the order here.

"Frankly, that ruling surprised me. I had read the motion as a request that she be given food, as any person in a medical care setting might, even if her feeding tube is removed. The language quoted above, though, does make the motion seem as if the request is actually for a form of therapy, rather than as a basic human right."

So, who's lying now?

108 posted on 03/24/2005 5:14:23 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: OKIEDOC
I am proud of what the Bush brothers have done.

They have been good little boys and they have turned it over to the imperial judiciary, just like their lawyers have told them. It's not exactly something you brag to your grandkids about.
109 posted on 03/24/2005 5:14:57 PM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: Hardastarboard

Exactly.


110 posted on 03/24/2005 5:15:25 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I have been half in love with easeful Death ... Now more than ever seems it rich to die.")
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To: Tax-chick
There was no judicial quarter in which Terri could find succor or sustance or compassion. From top to bottom, the judiciary, with the exception of that 11th Circuit gentleman Judge, have all had a hand in dealing her the death card. It is chilling, but really not that surprising. Step back, for a moment and just do a drive by,

Schiavo MUST put her to death,
She will receive NO drop of water, NO morsel of food,
Anyone trying to feed her WILL be arrested, lest they CHOKE her.

Here's another Italian expression, in the dialect of this proud peasant here: e roba da patze, hard to translate, but loosely speaking it means, this stuff could only be fed to lunatics and nuts.

111 posted on 03/24/2005 5:15:36 PM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: I want to know
Can you explain why he denied this motion by the parents?

No, it is incomprehensible to me and I won't try to rationalize a legal argument that propounds it. Sorry.

And why hasn't the media reported this?

:-}

112 posted on 03/24/2005 5:16:47 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
He has said what I've been posting most of this week.

God help this Country is no one, if President Bush or Governor Bush or the director of CFS has the grit, determination and b@lls to stand down this arrogant Judge.

113 posted on 03/24/2005 5:18:06 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (SAVE TERRI SCHIAVO'S LIFE -- send in the Guard or Marshals. Let's Roll!)
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To: AlbionGirl
this stuff could only be fed to lunatics and nuts.

Sort of an Italian version of "Honest, I'm not making this up!"

114 posted on 03/24/2005 5:18:34 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I have been half in love with easeful Death ... Now more than ever seems it rich to die.")
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To: HighlyOpinionated

The freepers defending the judiciary give me the creeps. I think there is a wheat v chaff thing going on here right now in Freeperland.


115 posted on 03/24/2005 5:20:40 PM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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To: Tax-chick

I think you're getting the hang of it!

God bless you Tax-chick on this Holy, Last Supper, Thursday.


116 posted on 03/24/2005 5:20:49 PM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: AlbionGirl

And the same to you! My husband and oldest son went to Mass this evening, while I'm home with the babies. I get the Good Friday service and the Easter Vigil, and he gets Sunday.


117 posted on 03/24/2005 5:25:23 PM PST by Tax-chick ("I have been half in love with easeful Death ... Now more than ever seems it rich to die.")
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To: garybob

Anybody seen winston?


118 posted on 03/24/2005 5:31:58 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: zygoat

A feeding tube is arguably "heroic measures", just as a ventilator is, but if a person is able to eat & drink by mouth, that's a horse of a totally different color.


119 posted on 03/24/2005 5:32:33 PM PST by Amelia (Still cynical after all these years.......)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
The nature of death by starvation and dehydration is also being depicted as "gentle" in the words of the New York Times -- the same New York Times which in 2002 reported starving people in India dying "clutching pained stomachs."

Yeah, I remember the MSM standard line was when Clinton broke down the doors of Elian's home in Miami, and snatched the frightened child in order to send him to his Daddy who is owned and lives in Castro's hell hole, that Elian is so happy. See the wonderful pictures of him playing. He was never happier. Yep, happy juice would do that to a kid wouldn't it?

This article by Thomas Sowell is exceptionally good.

120 posted on 03/24/2005 5:34:05 PM PST by harpo11
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