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"No Irish Need Apply": A Myth of Victimization
Journal of Social History ^ | 12-22-2004 | Richard Jensen

Posted on 03/24/2005 7:20:06 AM PST by twas

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1 posted on 03/24/2005 7:20:08 AM PST by twas
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To: twas
No one has ever seen one of these NINA signs because they were extremely rare or nonexistent.

Nonexistent My Royal Irish A$$

FOR SALE ON EBAY $7.00 circa 1915

2 posted on 03/24/2005 7:26:27 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: twas

Interesting but way too long - fwd a copy to Andrew Greeley.


3 posted on 03/24/2005 7:29:15 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Robe
Nonexistent My Royal Irish A$$

You've got that right!! I have one of those signs from my grandfather who lived in New York in the 20's and 30's.

4 posted on 03/24/2005 7:29:39 AM PST by IrishGOP (God bless and save Terri)
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To: twas
Jensen is full of horse manure.

During the famine, England exported grain from Ireland even as the Irish were starving.

Irish were hired for only the most menial jobs when they arrived in America; digging the Erie Canal where thousands died of fever, or bridge footers in New York where hundreds died, or the coal mines of Pennsylvania. In 1863 the draft riots were all about the Irish being drafted and sent as cannon fodder to the war instead of other immigrants.

Regards,

5 posted on 03/24/2005 7:29:56 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: IrishGOP
Some of the signs actually said "No Irish, Blacks or Dogs need apply".
6 posted on 03/24/2005 7:30:37 AM PST by IrishGOP (God bless and save Terri)
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To: Robe
No one has ever seen one of these NINA signs because they were extremely rare or nonexistent.

Yeah, I guess my grandparents were lying when they told me about the NINA signs they saw when they went for jobs....

7 posted on 03/24/2005 7:31:36 AM PST by Yossarian (Remember: NOT ALL HEART ATTACKS HAVE TRADITIONAL SYMPTOMS)
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To: twas
I suppose they also say there was no food in Ireland during the so called "Potato Famine".
8 posted on 03/24/2005 7:32:46 AM PST by paleocon patriarch ("Never attribute to a conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.")
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To: IrishGOP

"We'll give the land to the n---ers and the ch!nks, but NOT the Irish." - Blazing Saddles


9 posted on 03/24/2005 7:33:20 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

http://www.irishholocaust.org/


10 posted on 03/24/2005 7:34:43 AM PST by paleocon patriarch ("Never attribute to a conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.")
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To: twas
This is a load of bunk

tThose signs were primarily located in two port cities in the US Boston and New York City. Having grown up in New York just 26 miles away from the heart of New York City as a child in school we had text books and movies that showed us dozens of these signs.

We read period writings from newspapers that reflected that sentiment and there were traditions still spoken of the Irish in the 1960's

those who came over inthe Irush potato famine years had a tough row to hoe but they made it and they became model citizens alot of them became the proverbial Irish Cop

Ever wonder why in New York and other eastern cities they play bagpipe music at police funerals? Thats because the police became overwhelminging Irish and Catholic

You could call it rare if you lived in Texas or Atlanta but for thousands that poured into new york and boston those signs and prejucdices were in place and a way of life

There were also signs that no jews need apply (Less but they were there also)

11 posted on 03/24/2005 7:35:16 AM PST by Rocketman
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To: twas

no dogs, no blacks, no irish.


12 posted on 03/24/2005 7:36:24 AM PST by nonkultur
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To: twas
When are we going to pay the Irish reparations?
13 posted on 03/24/2005 7:38:03 AM PST by opinionator
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To: IrishGOP
"No Catholics Need Apply" was another variant, popular, I believe, with Mr. Hershey's factory (he was a Quaker).

Additionally, the author's choice of songs to illustrate his point are full of anti-Irish stereotypes, belligerent, dim, etc.

At least you waited for a week AFTER St. Patrick's Day to publish;0)

14 posted on 03/24/2005 7:44:38 AM PST by Former Dodger ("The high-minded man must care more for the truth than for what people think." --Aristotle)
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FOR SALE ON EBAY $7.00 circa 1915

From the article, if you had condescended to read it:

"4. Of course Ebay.com sells these signs. But they are all modern fakes, made by novelty sign makers for the Irish market. See for example http://www.bookguy.com/Irish/Books/irishem.htm Scholars can get fooled too, as shown by http://www.therblig.com/GLCSSRA/archive/901.htm"

15 posted on 03/24/2005 8:00:57 AM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: SedVictaCatoni

It is really quite remarkable how most her (or seem to revel in the possibility of victimhood for the Irish) refuse to read the article or address the evidence it offers. Jensen (a conservative, btw) may be wrong but he at least deserves to be challenged on the evidence he presents.


16 posted on 03/24/2005 8:09:27 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: SedVictaCatoni
Well,Well,Well, Let's see all I have to do is say that all the WWII posters are reproductions ,therefore WWWII didn't exist..

Although most of the victims of this discrimination have passed ,many here on this site have had these stories relayed to them through their childhood.

My mother went through this stuff when she came here in 1928. And Mama never lied... and yer better not infer such !!!

17 posted on 03/24/2005 8:10:02 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: twas
The fact that Irish vividly "remember" NINA signs is a curious historical puzzle. There are no contemporary or retrospective accounts of a specific sign at a specific location. No particular business enterprise is named as a culprit. No historian, 2 archivist, or museum curator has ever located one 3 ; no photograph or drawing exists. 4 No other ethnic group complained about being singled out by comparable signs. Only Irish Catholics have reported seeing the sign in America—no Protestant, no Jew, no non-Irish Catholic has reported seeing one. This is especially strange since signs were primarily directed toward these others: the signs said that employment was available here and invited Yankees, French-Canadians, Italians and any other non-Irish to come inside and apply. The business literature, both published and unpublished, never mentions NINA or any policy remotely like it. The newspapers and magazines are silent. The courts are silent. There is no record of an angry youth tossing a brick through the window that held such a sign. Have we not discovered all of the signs of an urban legend?

This is complete and utter rubbish!

I have an Irish History book FULL of political cartoons, historic images, and other assorted historia that shows what the WASP establishment in New England (and Louisiana) though of the Irish. But then again, maybe its just an ebay fake too! Furthermore the Germans in America also had discrimination against them (especially circa WWI). But maybe this guy (jensen is it) is right, and both sets of my grandparents (one set Irish, the other German) are just full of bull. My grandfather specifically remembered there were No Catholics Need Apply signs when he was growing up, as well as No Irish Need Apply. Cheers, CSG

18 posted on 03/24/2005 8:13:58 AM PST by CompSciGuy ("When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends." --Japanese Proverb)
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To: Rocketman

In San Diego there used to be signs that said, "Sailors and dogs keep off the grass." Does that count?


19 posted on 03/24/2005 8:14:05 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: CompSciGuy

Jensen did specific research on ads and other historical primary sources. Which one of the *specific* pieces he offered is wrong? Heh....if this guy is all wet, you and other freepers can expose another fake in the history profession! Go for it.....if you have the evidence.


20 posted on 03/24/2005 8:17:39 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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