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DCF Considers Removing Schiavo from Hospice by Force
Palm Beach Post ^ | 3.23.05 | Dara Kam

Posted on 03/23/2005 2:34:59 PM PST by gopwinsin04

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To: sissyjane

Sounds like a troll to me. I'm surprised he survived the remarks you just reposted.


461 posted on 03/23/2005 4:28:45 PM PST by Defiant (Make unconstitutional rulings unconstitutional.)
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To: glowworm

We all are, especially those of us stuck in Floriduuuhhh. But first we need Jeb to make the call. I hope he is not waiting for the Supremes to do their thing, time is of the essence.


462 posted on 03/23/2005 4:28:59 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: CyberAnt
Yep! That's what you get when you go on national TV and tell your enemy what you're doing. Sheeeeeesh!

You don't think they were counting on Greer to give an order so patently illegal as to justify his removal from the case?

463 posted on 03/23/2005 4:29:13 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: AmericaUnited
A court order was just issued specifically prohibiting the Floriduh CPS or whatever it is called from attempting to take custody of her or reinsert her feeding tube.

SCREW EM! The are not the supreme authorities! The DCF is exercising it power it authority that comes from legislative laws. THE JUDICAL TYRANTS NEED TO GET SLAPPED DOWN AND UNDERSTAND THEY ARE CO-EQUAL! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

The Judge can jail the director of CPS.
The Director of CPS cannot jail the Judge.

So9

464 posted on 03/23/2005 4:29:41 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: XR7
Twelve year olds in handcuffs for trying to bring a dying woman water. That's what the police in Pinellas Park are being used for.

The people in that county need to get rid of their overseers and get human beings.

465 posted on 03/23/2005 4:31:09 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Common Tator

They took away the power of the executive to TAKE life, but they left the executive the power to prevent life from being taken, in the form of executive clemency. By doing so, I think it should be agreed that the executive should also have to power to grant clemency in a civil case where the judgement will result in the death of one of the involved parties. At least it should be agreed by rational, civilized and moral people.


466 posted on 03/23/2005 4:31:26 PM PST by Critter (America, home of the whipped.)
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To: CyberAnt
Well .. that's not what I'd call him - my name is unprintable.

How about RECALLED.

467 posted on 03/23/2005 4:32:12 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Mark Sanford in 2008!!)
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To: Servant of the 9
The Judge can jail the director of CPS.

All by himself? NO!

468 posted on 03/23/2005 4:32:21 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: gopwinsin04

"Git 'er done." You said it!


469 posted on 03/23/2005 4:32:36 PM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: lainie
I'm hearing it in the background matthews is a rabid rat, squealing do you have any evidence that Michael did all those things, he is truly a dud. The nbc nightly news was even worse. Campbell Brown portrayed Michael as just a good guy looking out for his wife, they did a 3-4 minute piece heard it on the way home, almost puked. How can any news org. that big be so biased.
470 posted on 03/23/2005 4:32:55 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: supercat

I agree. They know what Greer is about. They were preparing the public when they spoke today.


471 posted on 03/23/2005 4:33:02 PM PST by utahagen
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To: Glenmerle

So well said.

Doing the right thing at any cost - no one can tell you its wrong....saving a life. Otherwise, we must tell the fireman - don't risk your life to help another - it's not right anymore - just show up to the fire and pretend. Our to our servicemen... do your best to keep a low profile and wait out your two years.


472 posted on 03/23/2005 4:33:33 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: pa mom
Does anyone know what the neurological effects could be from not having had water for so long?

For a normal person, water deprivation would likely leave them weakened and highly discomfited. For a person whose cerebral cortex has been liquefied for over 10 years, however, they would have no knowledge, understanding, or sensation to inform them what was happening to them. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. As much as I dislike the way right-to-die zealots have manipulated this case to serve their ends (and please believe me, I do), and as much as I question her husband's motives, Terri Schiavo, as a "person" most likely ceased to exist long ago. If so, "She" is not suffering. Her body may be all that remains, and if so, I trust her soul has long since departed. This is a painfully difficult case, and one that, in a more thoughtful and less litigious world ought not be decided by judges, but by loved ones.

Now, here is the difficult part. To quote Charles Krauthammer:

The Florida court found that most of her cerebral cortex is gone. But 'most' does not mean all. There might be some cortex functioning. The very severely retarded or brain-damaged can have some consciousness. And we do not go around euthanizing the minimally conscious in the back wards of the mental hospitals on the grounds that their lives are not worth living.

Mr. Krauthammer is correct. And yet, the far better likelihood is that Terri's parents will ultimately need to accept the bitter truth about her condition. Like many others, I have struggled with this story because I am resolutely pro-Life, and would like more definitive tests to have been conducted for the purpose of determining whether anything remains of the person that once was. I hope that such an opportunity remains. Nonetheless, the likelihood of such an outcome is remote at best. Perhaps it is time to let her go, and focus on reforming the law to protect those who cannot speak for themselves - including the unborn.

473 posted on 03/23/2005 4:33:52 PM PST by andy58-in-nh
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To: Common Tator
Normally I would agree with you on principle, but here we have a case of the judiciary issuing orders to kill an innocent person. One principle of our government is a system of checks and balances to prevent precisely this kind of abuse. If one branch of government is abusing the citizens of the land (by killing them), the people who grant the government it's just powers to govern, the other branches are obliged to exercise some measure of oversight and restraint.

It is clear that this bloody business is getting out of hand. When you have the court passing de facto death sentences on innocent persons, something is out of kilter. The other branches of government, and, ultimately, the citizens who establish such government, would be remiss if they did not act to oppose such blatant abuses of the citizenry.

474 posted on 03/23/2005 4:34:00 PM PST by chimera
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To: Hildy
DCF has every legal right to take protective custody of her based on the new findings and it warrants immediate action to be taken to save her life while the new findings are investigated.
475 posted on 03/23/2005 4:34:23 PM PST by stlnative
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To: shhrubbery!

Thanks for the response. I guess that makes sense. I'm just a little surprised that someone didn't file a complaint last time.


476 posted on 03/23/2005 4:34:44 PM PST by truthluva
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To: Common Tator
Only Judges can do that. No president or Govenor has the power to overrule the decision of a guardian. Only the courts have the power to remove or over turn the decision of a guardian.

Didn't the INS decide that Elian's bio-father was his guardian? ...And the courts deferred to that?

477 posted on 03/23/2005 4:35:25 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: chimera

So well said, chimera.


478 posted on 03/23/2005 4:35:26 PM PST by Miss Behave (Man who fart in church sit in own pew.)
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To: rodguy911

Just goes to show how far propaganda/bias/brainwashing can take a big crowd of people, doesn't it?


479 posted on 03/23/2005 4:35:43 PM PST by lainie
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To: Hildy

Read Ann Coulter's piece just referred to above. The opposition has already used force as they pleased. As Jack Ryan said in a Tom Clancy book, "The constitution is not a suicide pact." And the rule of law is not an excuse to bury our heads in the sand or to raise "The Law" to the position of Absolute Authority. The law is a man-made artifact and we do not genuflect to it or to those men born in original sin who mis-apply it.

This nation was established by men who meant to govern themselves... better than a king or some inbred aristocracy. And now we are to pledge our allegiance, "our lives, ,our fortunes, our sacred honor" to some guy in a black robe whose tortured legal pronouncements somehow have the weight of holy writ.

That is not democracy. That is serfdom.


480 posted on 03/23/2005 4:35:58 PM PST by Aloysius88 (Antonin Scalia for Chief Justice.)
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