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Schiavo `case' a shameful affair
Manchester Union Leader ^ | March 22, 2005 | Editorial

Posted on 03/22/2005 3:58:24 AM PST by billorites

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To: Peach

Terry is not much different than a retarded child- sweet and innocent and helpless- Hitler wanted them dead as well as Michael Schiavo- he wanted her alive until the lawsuit was over then wanted her to go away- with continous rehab she could have led a simple life. I have a friend that got whacked by a side mirror of a truck and could only gnaw and stare- her new husband had more love for her than this cold cad- she was a beautiful person but at least tried and put her in a coma program to try to stimulate her back to life!


21 posted on 03/22/2005 4:14:28 AM PST by newzhawk
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To: Peach
And that, as a doctor he didn't know that Terri can't have an MRI because she has electrodes in her brain is astounding as well.

Do you recall when that was done and why?

22 posted on 03/22/2005 4:15:37 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: billorites
Dr. Frist, a heart surgeon, remember - who insisted after watching a video that Terri Schiavo ``has a level of consciousness.'' Most doctors actually examine a patient before rendering a diagnosis, but not when that doctor ends up in Congress.

I am unable to diagnose this editorial writer as anything but brain dead.

23 posted on 03/22/2005 4:15:52 AM PST by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: Peach
I don't see any signs of electrodes on this slice of the CT.

Also, I know of no electrodes that anyone would leave in any brain for any purpose, and in 20 years of seeing more than 10,000 CT's of the brain, I have never observed such a phenomenon.

In addition, it is hard to believe that anyone inserted electrodes, in 1992, that had paramagnetic properties that would preclude an MRI of the brain currently. I doubt that. Most of those devices are titanium or stainless steel, which are unaffected by MRI. Besides, with MRI, in that type of situation, the only reason not to do an MRI is because you are looking for information in the region of the artifact, where there would be distortion of the image.

If the items are not paramagnetic (like iron), there would be no danger and no contraindication to an MRI. Sounds bogus to me.

from a neurologist at http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html

24 posted on 03/22/2005 4:16:08 AM PST by thoughtomator (Will Michael Schiavo get away with murdering his wife? Stay tuned to find out!)
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To: newzhawk

Haven't you read what was tried for Terri? Even experimental surgery was tried. Long past the time doctors said there was no hope.

And Michael got the $$ from the lawsuit and waited five years to determine there was no hope. Pesky facts.


25 posted on 03/22/2005 4:16:43 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: mewzilla
And why an MRI wasn't done before the electrodes were placed since afterwards it makes an MRI impossible?
26 posted on 03/22/2005 4:16:50 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: mewzilla

She can't have an MRI because in the early days of her condition, her husband really did take measures to have her treated and had something implanted in her brain to help stimulate it. It's fair to say that she's never had a PET scan. But these are moot. The first point is, why is the written contract to stop feeding assumed? Would food and treatment have been withheld if she had a heart attack?

The other side is his claim that as husband, his position should rule -James Taranto in yesterday's Best of the Web Today wrote:
"But it is equally unreasonable to let Mr. Schiavo have it both ways. If he wishes to assert his marital authority to do his wife in, the least society can expect in return is that he refrain from making a mockery of his marital obligations. The grimmest irony in this tragic case is that those who want Terri Schiavo dead are resting their argument on the fiction that her marriage is still alive."

Michael claims that the money is gone. The money issue to consider is that most of it has not been spent for sustaining Terri's life, which were the terms of the payment, but to exterminate her. If it's found that she was not represented properly, he could be ordered to repay the monies.

I think he's a true narcissist-- he has to eliminate all that is not perfect in his view. This is why it's so amazing to watch him wig out on the press as he whines that he is not getting his way (of course, stated as though he cared at all about Terri).


27 posted on 03/22/2005 4:17:12 AM PST by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: thoughtomator

Let's not take the word of someone who has never even seen all her tests or examined her.

Let's take instead the word of her three guardian ad litems and court documents.


28 posted on 03/22/2005 4:18:07 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Just Euthanise her. Just stick a needle in her arm! BECAUSE STARVATION IS CRUEL!

Ah, but don't you see? It's about power. Hino is a control freak. That was one reason Terri was going to leave him. It's still about the control he can weld over her. She suffers and he elated. Fluid leaves her body making cremation of the evidence a quicker process.

29 posted on 03/22/2005 4:18:32 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: mewzilla

I don't remember the year, early 90's, I think.

It was done to try and stimulate her brain activity.


30 posted on 03/22/2005 4:18:35 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: saveliberty

Did she actually receive the treatment after the electrodes were implanted? And if so, for how long? Is that part of the judicial record?


31 posted on 03/22/2005 4:18:45 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Can he do that? Is this wishful thinking on your part? I would love to see that play out if it can be done.


32 posted on 03/22/2005 4:18:54 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Peach

I'm sorry, I simply can't take that on faith. There's every reason to doubt the motives of both the husband and the Florida court.


33 posted on 03/22/2005 4:19:36 AM PST by thoughtomator (Will Michael Schiavo get away with murdering his wife? Stay tuned to find out!)
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To: Redleg Duke
"Interesting how the tagline is the "Manchester Union Leader", a conservative newspaper from New Hampshire, very much supporting the Pro-Life Movement, but when you click on it, you end up at the website of a Boston Newspaper. I think we may need a clean-up here."

Sorry, yes.

My mistake.

34 posted on 03/22/2005 4:21:08 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Peach

LOL, a doctor has to examine Terri before commenting on how MRIs work?


35 posted on 03/22/2005 4:21:32 AM PST by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: billorites
They say there are two things you should never discuss in polite company - politics and religion. Problem is the only polite company has been us. While libertine amoral Democrats have controlled the conversation for decades, we remained polite and silent. Liberals have wrought great damage on this country. Only recently have we begun speak up and turn things around. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

Too late for Terri Schiavo.

36 posted on 03/22/2005 4:21:49 AM PST by BufordP ("I wish we lived in the day when you could challenge a person to a duel!"--Zell Miller)
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To: Peach

FWIW, Peach, I understand that people in this country have a right to refuse medical treatment. But I think before we allow someone to be killed by dehydration and starvation in this country, that the patient's wishes should be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. We have a higher standard of evidence in criminal trials, for Heaven's sake, than is being applied here.


37 posted on 03/22/2005 4:21:51 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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To: mewzilla

She did, but I believe his efforts only lasted the first year. I do not know if it's part of the record, but would not be surprised as Michael needs to feel self righteous.

What she didn't receive was independent legal representation, which the judge took upon himself and thereby denied her a fair trial.


38 posted on 03/22/2005 4:22:01 AM PST by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: Sloth

Well, I don't think that.

But I do think that the word of her guardian ad litems and court documents are more worthy of consideration than some guy who CLAIMS on the internet to be a doctor and see no reason why she can't have an MRI.

The next time you see YOUR doctor, ask him if you had electrodes in your head if you'd be able to get an MRI.


39 posted on 03/22/2005 4:23:00 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: saveliberty
...which the judge took upon himself and thereby denied her a fair trial.

And why that hasn't been addressed is beyond me.

40 posted on 03/22/2005 4:23:51 AM PST by mewzilla (Has CBS retracted the story yet?)
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