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Judge Refuses to have feeding tube reinserted in Terri Schiavo (FOX NEWS ALERT)
Fox News | 03/22/05

Posted on 03/22/2005 3:26:06 AM PST by tsmith130

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To: Dave S

If there had been a living will in this case, she would have been laid to rest long ago, and none of us (for the most part)would have a problem with it. There wasn't, so here we are. The ONLY people who have testified she would want to die are direct relatives of the man who is having children with another woman and just happened to 'remember' that "Oh yeah, she would not wnat to live" after the lawsuit was successful. His credibility is in the crapper.


921 posted on 03/22/2005 7:53:37 AM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Proud Member of the Reagan Republicans)
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To: ohioWfan

I haven't seen where. Point it out to me.


922 posted on 03/22/2005 7:53:37 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: jwalsh07
trainloads of Grandmas

I think you've hit it right on the nose jwalsh07.

923 posted on 03/22/2005 7:54:06 AM PST by johnb838 (Greer: What I have written, I have written)
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To: johnb838
As I told Dave S, if Terri had a Living Will, or if her family that loves her (and that is not Michael) agreed that these were her specfic wishes, then I would not stand in the way, even though I do not agree with it or feel it is right.

But none of that is the case. We have a case where a hopelessly conflicted husband (as to Terri's interests), and an activist Judge and lawyer are HELL BENT on killing this woman. That cannot be allowed IMHO, her right to life trunps all of their jargon and corrupt and deluded aims.

924 posted on 03/22/2005 7:54:30 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: ContraryMary

Ok, Bye-bye.


925 posted on 03/22/2005 7:54:37 AM PST by johnb838 (Greer: What I have written, I have written)
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To: Dave S

You have it backwards -- the pro-DEATH, pro-euthanesia movement is the one who wants to use Terri as a symbol -- never mind, that there is NO evidence, other than hearsay from someone who has a personal interest in seeing Terri dead.

It became an unholy alliance between MS, who wants to kill his wife and the euthanasia crowd, who are willing to ignore such "minor" points, that there is no evidence that Terri did want to die, unless she was 100% normal. And what's normal?

The same crowd who can't wait to kill Terri, are moving the earth to save terrorists. Doesn't that clue you in?


926 posted on 03/22/2005 7:54:42 AM PST by FairOpinion (Only liberals want life for criminals and terrorists and death for defenseless innocents.)
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To: jwalsh07

Illegal or not those two brats are BASTARDS! I hope the kids at school call them that.


927 posted on 03/22/2005 7:55:16 AM PST by johnb838 (Greer: What I have written, I have written)
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To: F.J. Mitchell; Tarantulas

It was a five-year marriage between Michael and Terri -- not five months. They were married in November 1984 and she suffered cardiac arrest in February 1990.


928 posted on 03/22/2005 7:55:18 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: maica
You are correct, it is not illegal if you recognize bigamy

He is not married to the woman. There is a difference between adultery and bigamy.

929 posted on 03/22/2005 7:55:28 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Brytani
I think the only real course of action for the parents at this time is to work out a divorce on her behalf due to abandonment by her husband. Hopefully an acknowledge divorce proceeding by the courts will cause the legal system to place a straining action on his ability to proceed with her starvation death. This may only be temporary if the courts then decide there isn't a justified reason to grant further hearings or the divorce itself. The last resort for the parents would be to sue him in civil court in an attempt to scare in into believing that if he carries through with the starvation death he may end up bankrupt thereby destroying his new life so granting the parents legal custody would be the safer option for him at that point.
930 posted on 03/22/2005 7:55:29 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: ContraryMary
Ah.........nice dodge.

You evade my earlier question with attacks on other freepers. I ask it again directly (not rhetorically), and you evade again, and contort it and call it 'useless.'

I want to know directly. Do you think that murdering the handicapped is OK?

Answer that question, please. It is the heart of this debate.

If you don't answer it, you are more than just contrary. You are a coward.

931 posted on 03/22/2005 7:55:30 AM PST by ohioWfan (The trumpet of freedom has been sounded, and that trumpet never calls retreat. (George W. Bush))
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To: jwalsh07

I'm glad you brought this up, here's a big dilemma nobody wants to talk about. When my mother was in the hospital, she was very ill. My mother is 80 years old. It turns she had some big infections which were treated. After they did the brain scan, one of the Doctors approached me and told me he suspected hydrocephalus and he explained the shunt procedure and told me he performed one on a 90 year old person the month before.

We thought about it, and with her situation, our family Dr. and I decided it wasn't a good idea for her.

My mother, like all 80 year olds, is covered by Medicaid. If 80-90 year olds start getting this procedure, how on Earth can this country sustain the costs. I'm assuming it's a very expensive operation. I know this isn't a popular thing to talk about, but it's necessary. Just because we can doesn't mean we should.


932 posted on 03/22/2005 7:56:22 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Dave S

This is the only poll I found on the FOX website. I used the word push poll because it assumed that Terri is in a PVS. Sorry, I cannot reformat from a .pdf file. It was taken long before this weekend's focus on her situation.


4 March 05
Polling was conducted by telephone March 1-2, 2005 in the evenings. The total sample is 900 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of ±3 percentage points.
34. If a patient has been in what doctors call a "persistent vegetative" or a coma-like state with no higher brain activity for a significant amount of time, who do you think should make the decision whether the patient should be kept alive or not? SCALE: 1. The person's parents or other family members 2. The person's spouse 3. The government 4. (The person's doctor) 5. (Not sure) Parents Spouse Government (Doctor) (NS) 1-2 Mar 05 38% 45 2 3 12 Parents 39% 46 3 1 11 Non-parents 38% 45 1 3 13 Married 34% 49 2 3 12 Unmarried 46% 38 1 3 13

v35. Terri Schiavo has been in a so-called "persistent vegetative state" since 1990. Terri's husband says his wife would rather die than be kept alive artificially and wants her feeding tube removed. Terri's parents believe she could still recover and want the feeding tube to remain. If you were Terri's guardian, what would you do? Would you remove the feeding tube or would you keep the feeding tube inserted? Remove Keep (Not sure) 1-2 Mar 05 59% 24 17 Parents 58% 23 19 Non-parents 59% 25 16 Married 58% 23 19 Unmarried 60% 26 14
28-29 Oct 03 61% 22 17
36. If you were in Terri Schiavo's place, what would you want your guardian to do? Would you have your guardian remove the feeding tube or keep the feeding tube inserted? Remove Keep (Not sure) 1-2 Mar 05 74% 15 11 Parents 72% 17 11 Non-parents 75% 14 12 Married 74% 14 12 Unmarried 74% 16 10
28-29 Oct 03 74% 16 10


933 posted on 03/22/2005 7:57:41 AM PST by maica (Ask a Death-o-crat: "When did you decide to support death in every situation?")
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To: TheForceOfOne

One thing that hasn't been brought up is HIPAA. Doesn't it reinforce the wall between the primary caregiver and everyone else in the world?


934 posted on 03/22/2005 7:57:42 AM PST by johnb838 (Greer: What I have written, I have written)
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To: ohioWfan

No, it's not the heart of this debate. Don't sidetrack.


935 posted on 03/22/2005 7:57:59 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: ContraryMary
Posts 810 and 811 contain facts about your 'source.'

It's bogus...........unless you're a leftist, that is.

936 posted on 03/22/2005 7:58:40 AM PST by ohioWfan (The trumpet of freedom has been sounded, and that trumpet never calls retreat. (George W. Bush))
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To: Jeff Head
It is heart wrenching and agaonizing to see so many of our institutions and so many of our own free people turning a deaf, deluded ear to that cry.

Indeed, Jeff. It is more -- it is shocking and scandalous. IMHO FWIW

937 posted on 03/22/2005 7:59:02 AM PST by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Dave S
But has Dr. Hammesfahr's approach ever helped anyone in persistent vegetative state? I thought not.

No heart patient was ever helped by a cardiac cath until an enterprising young cardiolgist threaded a catheter up his femoral artery through his aorta and into a coronary artery.

938 posted on 03/22/2005 7:59:04 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ContraryMary

Answer the question.


939 posted on 03/22/2005 7:59:05 AM PST by ohioWfan (The trumpet of freedom has been sounded, and that trumpet never calls retreat. (George W. Bush))
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To: jwalsh07
Not really. Adultery is against the law in Florida. So, yes it is illegal.

Touché

940 posted on 03/22/2005 7:59:53 AM PST by mhking (If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball!)
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