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Aerospace Notebook: Expect to see Airbus A380 at Paris show
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ^ | Wednesday, March 16, 2005 | JAMES WALLACE

Posted on 03/21/2005 11:55:43 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

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1 posted on 03/21/2005 11:55:44 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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2 posted on 03/21/2005 11:57:06 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I don't want to be on a pinglist,
What is a winglet?
Thanks


3 posted on 03/22/2005 12:04:26 AM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45
What is a winglet?

This AeroMexico 737 has winglets on the wing tips.


4 posted on 03/22/2005 12:25:58 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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Blended Winglet Equipped Boeing 757 Makes First Flight

Another Aircraft Model Enters the Sky with Blended Winglets - Landmark Milestone Achieved

SEATTLE, March 11 /PRNewswire/ -- On March 9th a Continental Airlines Boeing 757-200, outfitted with 8 foot 2 inch tall Aviation Partners Boeing Blended Winglets, flew from Everett, WA to Los Angeles with a brief stop en route at Boeing Field Seattle. "The first flight was a complete success," says Aviation Partners Boeing Vice President of Programs Jay Inman.

"From an airline perspective, this is our most significant Blended Winglet Program ever. With this technology, Boeing 757-200 operators will experience block fuel improvement of up to 5%, saving as much as 300,000 gallons per aircraft, per year for every Blended Winglet Performance Enhanced 757-200," said Aviation Partners Boeing Vice President Sales and Contracts Patrick LaMoria.

FAA certification of 757-200 Blended Winglets is anticipated in May 2005 with first customer installations beginning in July. Initial launch customers Continental Airlines and Icelandair are the first operators that will take advantage of patented* Blended Winglet Technology on their 757-200's.

"Market interest in this program has been unprecedented," says Aviation Partners Boeing CEO Mike Marino. "The 757-200 is a very popular aircraft that has been coming up in value lately. More and more airlines are looking to increase the utilization of one of the most efficient aircraft every designed on a cost per seat basis. Blended Winglet Technology, now available for the 757-200, is helping to make this possible."

Aviation Partners Boeing expects to Performance Enhance the majority of the 600 plus existing fleet of 757-200s with revolutionary Blended Winglet Technology. Operator benefits include: a block fuel improvement of up to 5%, approximately 200 nautical miles of additional range or up to 10,000 lbs. of incremental payload capability, improved second segment climb, enhanced operational flexibility (such as trading improved fuel burn for faster cruise speeds), improved takeoff performance out of high, hot, or obstacle limited airports, reduced engine maintenance costs, enhanced aesthetic appeal, increased aircraft residual value, and a range of environmental benefits that will equate to an economic payback period of less than 3 years for most operators.

"The 757-200 Blended Winglet Program is a tremendous milestone for us and very exciting from a sales perspective," says Aviation Partners Boeing Chairman Joe Clark. "This landmark program will translate into about 180 million gallons in annual fuel savings when the entire fleet of 757-200's is upgraded with Blended Winglet Technology. Anytime you can enhance the productivity of an existing asset we feel it is a wise business investment."

5 posted on 03/22/2005 12:39:32 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I recall reading at some posts on Free Republic that some pilots do not want to fly Airbus aircraft due to perceived safety issues, and have gone as far as undergoing extensive retraining even though that may have a significant impact on them.

Can any pilots out there comment on whether this is true or not?


6 posted on 03/22/2005 3:09:13 AM PST by rlmorel (Teresa Heinz-Kerry, better known as Kerry's "Noisy Two Legged ATM")
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I flew on an A320 today, and will be on an A330 in a few days, I have no problems with them, they make good planes.


7 posted on 03/22/2005 4:31:05 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Hey, they can always tow it to the show! Image is everything!


8 posted on 03/22/2005 4:51:04 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Pass Tort Reform Now! Make the bottom clean for the catfish!)
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My guess it was due to software glitches that occur. We have OFP (Operational Flight Programs) for our stuff but we seem to have a better grip on the programming. The most famous Airbus incident is where it was doing a fly-by and the computer wouldn't let the engines spin up and it pancaked into the trees. Again, I'm not sure (I am a fighter pilot), but I think it is perceived issues with the programming of the OFP not allowing direct pilot inputs, inputs that may, or may not exceed the design limits as perceived by the computer, and this can be bad because there are times, in emergencies, where you may have to put the jet in a situation where you exceed the normal envelope.

Just my guess, though.
9 posted on 03/22/2005 6:16:10 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Paleo Conservative
Yup. . .something I am looking forward to. . . 555 people showing up at the same time and everyone trundling down to Passport Control and seeing those positions manned by the same half dozen people (you know we are not hiring more to accommodate the increase in passengers).

Even better, having two or three 380's arriving nearly at the same time and we have over 1,500 people storming Passport Control, manned by the usual half dozen or so.

Yuck!
10 posted on 03/22/2005 6:20:00 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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Airbus' ideal for long distance flying is not mine. If you've ever watched rush hour at JFK, that is Airbus' vision. Imagine 20-30 of these things waiting in line to take off. I'd much rather be able to catch a direct flight at DFW or IAH than have to go through JFK.


11 posted on 03/22/2005 6:35:17 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (I Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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Yeah. . .I've had five internation flights this year and I can't stand LAX, JFK and IAD.


12 posted on 03/22/2005 6:36:41 AM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Paleo Conservative
This should be good...

Hopefully it goes better for Airbus than the 1988 one did...

13 posted on 03/22/2005 6:53:38 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Celibacy is a hands-on job.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

The last time I flew Airbus, stuff in the cabin was falling apart, and the plane was making these weird noises. I've never been afraid to fly, but on that trip, I was seriously giving thought to changing my return flights to be something other than Airbus, and I could not wait for that flight to be over...


14 posted on 03/22/2005 6:56:54 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Celibacy is a hands-on job.)
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

A wiglet reduces the loss of lift at the wingtip producing a more efficient wing. Better wing equals better fuel economy.


15 posted on 03/22/2005 7:00:27 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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Yeah. . .I've had five international flights this year and I can't stand LAX, JFK and IAD.

That's because LAX and JFK still haven't completely updated their international terminals to modern standards. This is totally unlike SFO (San Francisco International Airport), which has a totally new International Terminal that opened at the end of 2000 designed to support more 747-400 operations and even has four gates that are ready to support the A380-800 right now.

By the way, I've heard that Airbus will start taxiing tests on the A380 prototype within the next few days.

16 posted on 03/22/2005 7:12:34 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Gunrunner2
The guy that ran the Airbus into the trees was demonstrating the auto pilot wave off. I think the Airbus is set up to waveoff by just pulling back on the yoke. That feature is disabled a some low altitude over the ground so you can flare before touchdown. In the airbus crash the pilot had entered the flare regime and I don't think he ever touched the power transducers (throttles), he kept pulling back on the yoke until impact.

On a Boeing product if you want to wave off on auto pilot you start with the Take Off/Go Around button on the throttles. This brings the power up first and makes inputs to the flight director system, as well.

17 posted on 03/22/2005 7:17:13 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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"It will be the public debut of the world's biggest plane terrorist target at the world's biggest air show"...
18 posted on 03/22/2005 7:20:54 AM PST by null and void (Do your part to save Social Security. Die.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

All depends on the airline, my airline, which I retired from and have free flights on for life flies 320/319, no problem, I'm no fan of the A300 or the A300-600, but the A330 is a joy to be a passenger on.

I don't care for the MD-11, a crappy plane, poorly built and thankfully being used for cargo mostly.


19 posted on 03/22/2005 7:21:36 AM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never pet a dog that is on fire)
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To: USNBandit

The winglet's function is to break the vortex that forms at the tips of the wings. A vortex creates substantial extra drag. If you've heard of ground effect, where an airplane has less drag close to the ground, this is because the ground breaks the vortex. Winglets have this same effect, though require high structural strength at the weakest part of the wing.


20 posted on 03/22/2005 7:25:55 AM PST by Reeses (What a person sees is mostly behind their eyeballs rather than in front.)
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