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Hospital ends life support of baby; 1st U.S. case of its kind is against mom's wish
KVUE ^ | 3.15.05

Posted on 03/21/2005 5:14:06 PM PST by ambrose

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To: ndt
Not to mention that was signed by Gov. Bush,...

OK, for (what I hope is the last time)WHAT IN THE HELL LAW ARE YOU RAVING ABOUT???????

I know all about Texas laws, and I predict that you don't have the first clue what you are talking about.
101 posted on 03/21/2005 7:32:10 PM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: Iwo Jima

Sure, from Waaaaay back in post 4

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/HS/content/htm/hs.002.00.000166.00.htm


102 posted on 03/21/2005 7:33:51 PM PST by ndt
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To: ndt

However that is not the law in Floriduh I believe.... and there are still all those other laws that have been broken both by Michael and Greer.


103 posted on 03/21/2005 7:36:49 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: ndt

I think you guys are talking about two different Governor Bush-es.


105 posted on 03/21/2005 7:37:39 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Iwo Jima

see post above - then-gov George Bush, not Jeb Bush.


106 posted on 03/21/2005 7:38:07 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Iwo Jima

"WHAT IN THE HELL LAW ARE YOU RAVING ABOUT???????"

hey, I just reread what you posted a little bit back and you seem to know already know this law (yes, it's Texas not Florida, I know, I was just pointing out the irony). So if you were not asking about this one which one are you asking for?


107 posted on 03/21/2005 7:40:23 PM PST by ndt
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To: Terriergal

"I think you guys are talking about two different Governor Bush-es."

Yes, correct, I should have been more clear, my bad.


108 posted on 03/21/2005 7:43:57 PM PST by ndt
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To: RBroadfoot
hopeless case when thousands of infants and young children die daily for want of cheap, basic care.

The only daily deaths of children in the thousands are in abortion clinics. You just lost any credibility you may have had on this subject.

109 posted on 03/21/2005 7:52:07 PM PST by Texasforever (It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chew your butt out all day long.)
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To: theorique

Of course we do ultimately do put a value on life. We like to think that we don't, but we do every day. If a dying child could live one extra day at a cost of the entire GNP of the world, that cost could not reasonably be spent. Just as there are reasonable limits put on the dispensation of resources in all of heath care.

If there is only one surgeon available in the ER a a given moment, and two cases arrive, one that has a 1% chance of survival after surgery and another that has a 99% chance of survival after surgery... it would be *wrong* to allocate the surgeon to the 1% case at the expense of the 99% case.

Thousands of lives are taken on the highways every year, and yet we continue to allow cars to exist, because we are *willing* to accept the casualties in trade for the benefit of convenient travel.

Many soldiers' lives are expended in defense of liberty and freedom. This is a cost we are willing to bear because we believe that there are good and rightful things worth fighting and dying for.

Life has a price, and we willingly pay it every day. But this does not mean that we willingly waste it when there is an alternative. In Terri's case, there is an alternative.


110 posted on 03/21/2005 7:53:24 PM PST by Ramius (Hmmm... yeah, that'd be great...)
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To: ndt

OK, just what are you saying that Bush is responsible for? HINT: not much!!!!


111 posted on 03/21/2005 7:55:31 PM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: theorique

A neonatal ICU plus neonatologist, other professional fees, and expenses, etc. is going to cost closer to $10K/day than to $1000 per day.

Of course, mom didn't have to pay anything.

BTW, I don't have anything against government-paid neonatal care for the indigent. (Oh, I suppose I'd prefer voluntary charity to government Medicaid, but that battle was decided long ago in favor of the liberals.) It's just that the payer should make the call on when it's ethical to pull the plug.


112 posted on 03/21/2005 8:00:01 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: ndt

Yes, I know all about Texas. I know nothing about Florida. George Bush is totally clean in Texas, although I think that we have a lousy death culture law that he could help us out on. What else are you saying????


113 posted on 03/21/2005 8:00:28 PM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: ndt; Iwo Jima

Well hopefully that clears up some misunderstandings here. :-)


114 posted on 03/21/2005 8:07:57 PM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: Iwo Jima

Relax, I wasn't attacking anyone.

I posted a link to the law that was referd to in the article. Terrrigal noticed how this law HAD IT BEEN IN FLORIDA (which it was not) directly related to the Terri case (not Terrigal, the other terri). I pointed out the irony of this being a law signed by now President Bush, who is now arguing AGAINST a situation covered in a law he previously signed.

Thats it, interesting, ironic and completely meaning less in the case of Florida, but this thread is about Texas and this law is directly referenced in the article so here IT IS appropriate.


115 posted on 03/21/2005 8:10:05 PM PST by ndt
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To: Texasforever

" The only daily deaths of children in the thousands are in abortion clinics. You just lost any credibility you may have had on this subject."

Nonsense. Thousands of children die daily from diarreal diseases, measles, pneumonia, cholera, malaria, etc., which are inexpensively preventable or treatable. The number is inherently imprecise, but it's around 25,000 dead kids/day. The cost of preventing the majority of these deaths is about $100 per child through age 10.

http://www.child-survival.org/stateof.html
http://www.childinfo.org/cmr/revis/db2.htm

Note that this does not include HIV/AIDS, which is much more expensive and problematic, just the diseases that affluent nations have conquered for the past 60-100 years.


116 posted on 03/21/2005 8:16:31 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: ndt
this being a law signed by now President Bush...

Bush did not sign this law. The law was enacted in 1989, long before he became governor. In 1999 he signed a bill into law which revised this law, but the revision had nothing to do with the matters discussed in the article or this particular matter in Houston.
117 posted on 03/22/2005 3:58:36 AM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: Windsong
(An alternate translation of Mark 16:16 reads "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." (emphasis mine). People have been saved without baptism, the best example of this is the criminal to whom Jesus said "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise" Luke 23:43b). Obviously, Jesus is the only means to salvation (see my last post). Some people hold, however, that there is an "age of accountability" before which God holds no one responsible. Others hold that there is special protection for babies born to a covenant household. None of these things can be shown from scripture, neither have I seen a way to disprove such opinions (if you do, please post it; I would be exceedingly interested, and I do not mean that sarcastically), so I say that I do not know the final answer.
What I will say about most such opinions, is that they often stem from someone who says that they "cannot believe" that God would condemn someone so young, "without a chance to believe" to hell. To them this seems unjust. However, God's justice is not ours. He is perfectly just, and we, no matter how we strive, can be at best imperfectly just (though some seem to be perfectly unjust).
"Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear, O house of Israel: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust?" Ezekiel 18:25
118 posted on 03/22/2005 11:16:55 AM PST by SeƱor Zorro
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To: Brainhose; Dog Gone

Thanatophoric Dysplasia is a disease that is terminal in the period shortly after birth. This has nothing to do with "psychos" being terminated.

http://www.emedicine.com/PED/topic2233.htm


119 posted on 03/22/2005 11:57:19 AM PST by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Wolfstar

It's called a belief in the sanctity of life.


120 posted on 04/21/2005 6:44:35 PM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Would you rather be O.J.'s girlfriend or Michael Schiavo's fiancee? - Ann Coulter)
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