Posted on 03/21/2005 8:16:09 AM PST by Destro
Same here. This would have ended the first time MS stopped rehab and visitation.
The author of tha line is as right wing as you can get. Did it bother you to read Bush signed such a bill? Ironic.
That's what they said in Germany, too.
No winners? How very Hitlerjugend of you? I think Terri won yesterday. She gets to live for one more day.
It has been stated on these threads so many times now that Terri is not on life support, that posting stuff like this should result in an automatic zot for being a troll.
Again - the author gave a range of pro and con - our individual biases then make us choose what we wantto believe is the truth.
But the feds will put more effort than that into demanding reserved parking places for 'vegetables' whether they will ever use them or not. The ADA demands that we educate children that are PVS. I've seen this in a special ed school --- but now they want to mainstream these kids!!!!
When I said "you", I was referring to the author of the article, this clown from Australia.
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The Left believes in the right to die, and the Right believes the the right to life.
Her parents are willing to care for her at home, at their own expense. And she really hasn't required any hi-tech life support. Just a feeding tube. She is remarkably physically sturdy, as evidenced by her survival of 6 days without food or water the last time her tube was removed. If she's really as far gone as the doctors who've supported her husband claim -- i.e. she is totally unaware, and thus incapable of suffering -- then I see no harm in letting her parents take her home and do their best to help her, and plenty of potential benefit (even if perhaps only for the parents).
George Bush signed the law which allows the hospitals to make this decision:
A patient's inability to pay for medical care combined with a prognosis that renders further care futile are two reasons a hospital might suggest cutting off life support, the chief medical officer at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital said Monday.
Dr. David Pate's comments came as the family of Spiro Nikolouzos fights to keep St. Luke's from turning off the ventilator and artificial feedings keeping the 68-year-old grandfather alive.
St. Luke's notified Jannette Nikolouzos in a March 1 letter that it would withdraw life-sustaining care of her husband of 34 years in 10 days, which would be Friday. Mario Caba-llero, the attorney representing the family, said he is seeking a two-week extension, at minimum, to give the man more time to improve and to give his family more time to find an alternative facility.
He is an AMERICAN - CATO INSTITUTE - ring any bells? no?
I havebeen a freeper longer than you - so maybe the troll is you - because you seek to shut down discussion when you have no counter argument (though I don't know if we were arguing).
Why wasn't Michael Schiavo punished by the courts for refusing to pay for her care after he received the malpractice lawsuit settlement? The article states that Florida law allows a patient to be allowed to die if there is no means of payment. But there was money for her care, so why didn't the hospital take him to court for nonpayment?
It seems that there are a lot of unanswered questions in this story. If the husband was suspected for physical abuse and caused her initial brain damage, why did the court give him guardianship over her? Now Congress is stepping in to check out if her 14th Amendment rights were violated, and if due process of the law was followed. It seems that they followed the Florida guidelines, but the judge in her county made a really bad decision putting her husband in charge.
And why was the husband making decisions that a doctor should have been making? (Whether or not she should have a feeding tube) It just seems that along the way, everyone (including her family) made some really bad judgements.
People are always raggin' on CA, but I think the state of Florida is whacked! They can't seem to get anything right until it's too late.
I honestly don't know if the coming utililtarian society can be held at bay. God help this country.
In a few weeks I am going to Tbilisi. I may look around quite seriously when I am there.
Sometimes it is not just biases, sometimes through life's experience, some have just had more contact with disabled persons. Have seen life and joy in their eyes, pain and annoyance, and sometimes depression. Have learned that they can communicate very well using subtle cues and body language. Nothing that Mr Bandow has probably ever experienced.
I have taken care of alot of supposed PVS patients and not once did I think their spirit had left them, as was so self assuredly expressed by so many posters on these boards.
Also if saving the life of a disabled person was used for a political advantage or grandstanding by the Pubs, I think that says more about the other side.
Dear Destro,
"Again - the author gave a range of pro and con - our individual biases then make us choose what we wantto believe is the truth."
Again, I cited two facts beyond dispute. These facts exist independently of what we want to believe is true.
Or are you disputing that Mr. Schiavo sued for millions related to his wife's incapacitation?
Or are you disputing that Mr. Schiavo "remembered" his wife's wishes sometime after the award was made?
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While I strongly disagree, you have framed the argument in its simplest form.
Common sense in this article.
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