Posted on 03/20/2005 4:55:55 AM PST by NCjim
I couldn't disagree with your post more than I do.
A minority opinion such as Manfred Petri is what we build on. The 24% of the German population who trust our president are our allies.
It is the liberals who want us to forget about these people, to become estranged from these people and to withdrawn from these people.
I won't, the president doesn't and you shouldn't. They are the future from which change will evolve that will do us all good. Damn the inferiority of low expectations and propaganda.
BTW, I don't even believe that it's only 24% who trust us. These polls are bought and paid for by the liberal German MSM and are nothing more than push polls.
This was a great article.
We've got a bunch of supposed "freedom loving" Freepers who trust Putin.
That's your right to disagree. Do you have a son fighting in Iraq? A daughter? A husband? A wife? I didn't think so. None of our guys and gals would be there if the rest of the world had EVER had the guts to back up their words with actions.
It is the liberals who want us to forget about these people, to become estranged from these people and to withdrawn from these people.
I won't, the president doesn't and you shouldn't. They are the future from which change will evolve that will do us all good. Damn the inferiority of low expectations and propaganda.
Where did I advocate disengaging with these people? Perhaps you should read my post again. Did I not say we would willingly and enthusiastically help them replace their current governments if they wanted us to?
Here are the two relevant paragraphs . . .
Those Canadians and Germans who disagree with their government's actions are the ONLY ones who can change said government and, while we will willingly and enthusiastically help them all we can to change their government, they should in no way be given a FREE PASS just because they agree with our positions.
There is a third classification to be thought of here . . . those who disagree with their government, but do NOTHING about changing their government. Why should they be thought of as OUR FRIENDS when their inactivity is perpetuating the very anti-U.S. sentiments expressed by their government?
If someone says they agree with us . . . then they sit quietly on the sidelines and do nothing to change the current situation, why should I be excited that there's 24% or 10% or any percentage of these kinds of individuals who fit into that category? I'm not saying ALL 24% sit on their hands and do nothing . . . but they sure get drowned out easily when the hate-American'ers protest in their streets and empower our enemies.
Have you EVER seen a counter-protest in Germany when the America-haters are on the War Path? I haven't either.
We're at war. If you were in Iraq fighting this war, would you be placated if 24% of your platoon were Quakers and they said, "Go get 'em, guys. We back you 100% but our religious views keep us from helping you tote the load?"
I know, I know . . . you think my example is too extreme to be fair. Okay, fine, you come up with one where our soldiers are helped by the knowledge that 24% of the Germans agree with what we're doing.
Let's assume the Germans had a 10,000-man Army. Would that mean 2400 of them would help us in the War on Terror? Not give lip-service to us, but put their lives on the line like our warriors do?
BTW, I don't even believe that it's only 24% who trust us. These polls are bought and paid for by the liberal German MSM and are nothing more than push polls.
Hey, what difference does it make if there's 49.9% of their population that're pro-American? If they don't have the power to change their government, it does us no "immediate" good.
Again, read my post again . . . I never said, nor did I imply, this wasn't a good article and it's "somewhat" reassuring that 24% of the Germans don't hate our guts. You're right . . . at least they and us have some place to start. And I'm all for it. Point me to a legitimate organization that's trying to help in this fight and I'll try to help all I can . . . both financially and through direct action.
Until then, the cheerleaders standing on the sidelines aren't helping the team on the field one little bit. It's all fluff with no substance . . . and American soldiers continue to die every single day.
You had Clinton and his ilk ruling for 8 years,and a few years before that you had elected Carter. Should we blame all Americans for that?
Dear Herr Petri, you are welcome.
hehe lustig
Thank you Mr. Petri. When all the politics are done, it's just people.
Where did I blame ALL Germans for anything? Why don't you read it again?
Let me make this simple for you. If 76% of the Germans don't agree with our policies and the government they elected refuses to stand beside us . . . what difference does it make to our "immediate" future if there's 24% of the German population standing on the sidelines cheering us on?
I never, not one time, blamed ALL the Germans for anything. I do, however, blame the German Government.
Two of my favorite FReepers are Canadian and German. The MAIN reason I respect them as I do is because they're ACTIVELY fighting the Liberal tides in their countries, oftentimes alone. I'm a poor man, very poor, but I donate what money I can to help their causes because they've backed up their "cheerleading" with actions. But, while their actions are commendable, their actions still don't make American soldiers any safer in Iraq.
You bring up Pee Wee Clinton and Jimmy "I've never met a despot I couldn't love" Carter. You ask should you blame all Americans for them being elected? Obviously not . . . just as I never made that leap either.
Let's assume the Berlin Wall was still standing during Pee Wee's terms and the Russkies were clamoring to take over Western Europe during Pee Wee's and/or Peanut's terms. If we had simply withdrawn our forces and allowed the Russkies to run roughshod over you, killing German citizens and soldiers on a daily basis . . . would you feel any better that 24% of the American citizens didn't agree with this move?
I didn't think so. I rest my case.
Thank you, Monday. I thot that was a slam, too. I ignored it but, good grief! Rude and then some.
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