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12ga shotgun vs. 2 boats of Pirates
The Highroad ^ | March 11, 2005 | Rodney J. Nowlin, USN Retire

Posted on 03/20/2005 4:22:16 AM PST by SLB

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To: Vigilantcitizen
The surviving pirates will learn and adapt. The word has already spread along the pirate waterfront.

An large American flag will be feared and respected. "Beware the Amriki! They shoot back!"

41 posted on 03/20/2005 7:38:42 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SLB
I've heard of pirate stories like this, especially off the coast of Yemen.

Bad, bad place to sail. Be well armed and on guard at all times, imo.

Thanks for sharing this story. Glad they made it out safely.

42 posted on 03/20/2005 7:38:55 AM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: SLB

Wow. Nothing like a "pirates on the high seas" adventure story!


43 posted on 03/20/2005 7:41:21 AM PST by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Landlubbers cannot offer advice of much worth concerning marksmaship on yahcts.

Shooting from a yacht is similar to shooting from the roof of an SUV, while driving across rutted fields. It has NOTHING to do with range shooting. You cannot get a "rest." You can only shoot offhand, while your boat is moving in several directions at once.

OTOH, you can see your splashes, and correct accordingly. Of course, on your next (offhand) shot, your boat has twisted another way under you, and you must take an entirely new aim.

Shooting from a boat is NOTHING like shooting on solid land. NOTHING. Your super accurate M1A is no more likely to hit than a Mini-14. The skills required to hit are all different.

If you want to practice for the sea, shoot from the roof rack of a Suburban, while your buddy swerves all over a bumpy field, trying to throw you off.

For target practice on boats, I enjoy shooting balloons. They stick to the water, and get smaller as you sail away. They go up and down on swells, as you are also doing. You can see your splashes, to know how close you came with each shot. Of course, a hit makes the balloon disappear.


44 posted on 03/20/2005 7:45:38 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

Not only an effective weapon, but the person using it was obviously proficient using it.


45 posted on 03/20/2005 7:46:27 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Eaker; humblegunner
If you want to practice for the sea, shoot from the roof rack of a Suburban, while your buddy swerves all over a bumpy field, trying to throw you off.

Anyone up for tryin' this?

46 posted on 03/20/2005 7:49:21 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Vigilantcitizen

Travis McGee

47 posted on 03/20/2005 7:49:23 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SLB

What'd you shoot'em with?

A freakin' twelve-gauge, what'd ya think?


48 posted on 03/20/2005 7:52:21 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I think that thousands of troops with Iraq convoy and road patrol duty would be great at this kind of shooting.

Of course, they would be used to belt fed weapons on pintle mounts...

A modern holo-sight would be perfect for this kind of shooting, with a semi auto rifle.

And as the story showed, inside of 100 yards, a shotgun would be terrific.

Two sailboats close by are a good tactic, to provide supporting fire to each other, and allow each boat to concentrate on defending only one side.


49 posted on 03/20/2005 7:52:31 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
... shoot from the roof rack of a Suburban, while your buddy swerves all over a bumpy field, trying to throw you off.

Sounds like a typical weekend for me, 'cept we use jeeps.

50 posted on 03/20/2005 7:54:02 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Travis McGee

I did mention the Mini may not be considered as an assault weapon. It's too bad about the gun laws in those countries when you're traveling inside your home with everything you own. I'm sure the super wealthy don't have those problems when they can travel with their security teams.


51 posted on 03/20/2005 7:55:07 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: stylin_geek
Yes indeed! Major kudos! And the "Amriki" flag became all the more feared!

"Abdul, don't go closer! The stars and stripes flag means death! A sailing boat with a red and white maple leaf flag is coming later, let us wait for him!"

52 posted on 03/20/2005 7:55:17 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: spodefly

Then you are ready for boat defense duty!


53 posted on 03/20/2005 7:56:56 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: rodguy911

I've spent quite a bit of time in Bahamian waters over many years, professionally during the 80's, never been boarded yet, though was approached once near Norman's Cay 5 or so years back - the patrol vessel veered away at the last moment on noticing we had kids aboard our 28 Whitewater. I always check in and do the required paperwork, which is what I think you ought to do while a guest in a foreign country. Then, your firearms are registered with another office, at the port of entry. I can imagine our LEO's would not be too friendly to Bahamians illegally fishing Florida waters either, loading up coolers, as Floridians often do in the Bahamas. Bearing in mind what you say, though.

I did once have a crew member busted by a Bahamian constable for smoking dope. Had to fly the guy out of the country pronto to keep him out of Fox Hill. The constable asked for a few books from our on board library, I was glad that's all he wanted - I wouldn't give him my nautical slide rule which he was fascinated by, this was before the days of GPS!

We used to carry an AR 15, 12 ga, and 336 in .35 at least, in the old days. Presently I'm usually content with just a mini.

I own at least one of your fishing rods, had it for quite a while, it's a nice piece of equipment - A 20# conventional rig that I modified for heavy deep jigging - it's been in the Bahamas a lot.

As for the guys in the article, one has to wonder how they justified "yachting" in such a well known pirate corridor. I do admire the way they fought, however.


54 posted on 03/20/2005 7:59:58 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Travis McGee
Does 00 buck offer a better soultiuon then? If you keep a tight pattern, you'll get farther out, but still have some greater chance of hitting something.

Regarding the Mini-14: I have been thinking of buying one and was not aware of its alledged inaccuracies at a distance. Along with that, I have 12GA and am thinking of staying with this and only investing in ammo, i.e 00 buck, slug and various non-traditional rounds such as, illum and pepper spray. Your thoughts?
55 posted on 03/20/2005 8:00:18 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.)
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To: Tom Bombadil; libstripper; squirt-gun
An M1A (.308 caliber) would be a great help in a situation like this. Most of the pirates are probably using AK's in 7.62x39 mm, a much less powerful cartridge. The .308 could engage them at a greater range and more accurately.

12 guage good up close....BUT...They would have no problem whatsoever if they carried a 50 calibre rifle.....flat tragectory for about a mile and will penetrate just about anything.

Given a 2nd chance to arm up, I bet this guy would want a whole lot of weapons more powerful than a 12 guage with 00 buck.

Something in the 50 caliber range comes to mind

Doesn't the bobbing of the boats throw off your aim?

Seems a reliable 7.62x39 semi-auto with 30 rd mags for sending bullets out a distance, and a 12 ga shotgun loaded with 00 buck for if they get up close and ready to board, would work best.

56 posted on 03/20/2005 8:03:09 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Only in America do we have quirky legal definitions about what is and isn't an "assault weapon." In most of the world, it's by caliber, and "military" calibers are banned. That is, even a bolt rifle 5.56mm or 7.62NATO would be illegal to own.

Pistol grip AR-15 vs wood stock Mini-14 would be no distinction at all in Australia, England, etc. Both would be totally banned, on a level almost with C-4. You have to pay for bonded armed security guards to transport them to a government armory. On leaving the country, you do it in reverse. MAJOR hassle!

A "field grade" shotgun that is pump action or (legally safest) double barreled is the least problematic anywhere in the world.

Some folks bring an old milsurp rifle, like an Enfield, and call it their "shark gun."

Another tactic is to buy an AK-47 when you arrive in Africa or Yemen, and ditch it when you get to the Med and back to "civilization."

57 posted on 03/20/2005 8:03:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
For target practice on boats, I enjoy shooting balloons. They stick to the water, and get smaller as you sail away. They go up and down on swells, as you are also doing. You can see your splashes, to know how close you came with each shot. Of course, a hit makes the balloon disappear.

How far off shore do you have to be as to not attract attention from the Coast Guard? That sounds like a great way to practice.

58 posted on 03/20/2005 8:03:43 AM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
12 gauge is great, because it is terrific at close range, and slugs are effective against boat hulls out to probably 150 yards.

I have a mini-14 for boat duty. You aim more by spotting your splashes than anything else. Ultimate "bench group" accuracy has little to do with hitting targets on the ocean. A mini is fine, or an SKS.

Plus, with a cheaper rifle, you will not hesitate as much to deep-six it if that is your best legal choice when being found with it might mean jail time in a 3rd world hell hole.

If you have a thousand dollar AR-15, are you going to toss it overboard?

59 posted on 03/20/2005 8:08:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Anyone up for tryin' this?

AGAIN???

60 posted on 03/20/2005 8:09:01 AM PST by humblegunner (We ain't subject to terror, but it's unwise to irritate us.)
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