House GOPs Want Feeding Tube Reinserted

Yahoo News AP ^ | March 19, 2005 | MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer

[penowa]

"...some liberal judge will call it unconstitutional." The SC of FL did that to get us where we are today and NY will not be far behind.

[Theodore R.]

Ironically, though George W. Greer calls himself a "conservative Republican" who is "only" following "what the law says." As long as he has the "R" label, some Republicans will give him a pass.

[BobS]

"Maybe mike and the judge made a deal."

Exactly. There is a dirty feel to this. Why does Terri need killing?

[BobS]

"If the plug is to be pulled at least let it be done by people who love her - her parents "

As I said on another thread yesterday, beat up a bunch of IRS dogs until they spit at you, then release them to dig up dirt on the husbands' and judge's family and "friends".

If 100% of their time is invested in protecting themselves, they are inert!

[Smartaleck]

"Have you seen the March 5, 1991 bone scan report?"

The full testimony is here. It includes cross-exam and by including it you wouldn't look so onesided and biased.
http://www.hospicepatients.org/dr-walker-t-schiavo-bone-scan-deposition.txt

Here's a few tidbits...
Q I think you mentioned that you had no
2 personal recollection of dictating this particular
3 report. Is that right?
4 A That's correct.
5 Q And you didn't sign the report?
6 A ***** I don't see my signature on this copy,
7 no.

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Q Now, would that hold true for only
2 traumatic fractures, or does that 12-to-18-month
3 time period hold true for any kind of occurrence?
4 A I would not say that it holds true for
5 any kind of occurrence, no. Because many things
6 that give you an abnormal bone scan don't have a
7 finite date where they stop.
8 A fracture occurs in a single moment of
9 time, and then hopefully it's treated and heals.
10 Whereas other things that give rise to abnormal bone
11 scans may be metabolic, for example, and they're an
12 ongoing process that don't stop. And if that
13 process doesn't stop, the bone scan may be abnormal
14 forever.
15 Malignancies, unless you treat the
16 malignancy, that bone scan is always abnormal. So
17 only things that have the opportunity to undergo
18 healing will result in a bone scan improving.
Do you get the gist of this "med-speak"?

Q Okay. So when you say "more recent,"
2 you're not able to say within a reasonable degree of
3 medical certainty whether it was a month old, six
4 months old or two years old?
5 A Are you speaking about the radiograph or
6 the bone scan?
7 Q I'm referring about your reference in the
8 report to "shaggy irregular periosteal
9 ossification."
10 ******* A I don't think I drew a conclusion in the
11 report as to how old it was. But if you're asking
12 me could I date a radiograph, an injury on a
13 radiograph, by the amount of periosteal reaction,
14 within that time frame of a month to two years, no,
15 I couldn't date that.

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Q Is it possible that the abnormalities
20 occurring on the bone scan with respect to the
21 fracture of L1, the compressions fracture of L1 --
22 could that have occurred when the patient -- or if
23 the patient fell onto the floor from a standing
24 position?
25 ***** A That's possible*****

Q Is it possible that the abnormalities
2 that you noted on the right femoral diaphysis and
3 metaphysis could have occurred if the patient was
4 standing and suffered a cardiac arrest and fell to
5 the floor?...

9 I suppose one could speculate that she fell
10 on a piece of furniture, that that could produce
11 that injury.

Q You mentioned that the report indicates
21 multiple bilateral rib abnormalities and that that
22 was not consistent with heterotrophic ossification.
23 Is that right?
24 A I mentioned that in this deposition, yes,
25 but not in the report.
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1 Q Okay. Were you looking for heterotrophic
2 ossification when you read the bone scan and the
3 radiographs? Do you know?
4 A I think that's in our mind when we see a
5 rehabilitation patient because we don't know from
6 the history how old the injury was. And, of course,
7 heterotrophic bone is something that occurs
8 particularly in people who are immobilized for long
9 periods of time. So that would be something that we
10 would mention were we to see a typical pattern for
11 that, yes.
12 Q Okay. The abnormalities in the multiple
13 bilateral ribs, could that have occurred during an
14 attempt at resuscitation by the paramedics or
15 hospital staff?
16 ******* A A vigorous resuscitation could do that,
17 yes.

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Q Do you know Dr. Donald Durrance?
8 A Yes, I do.
9 Q Do you know what kind of a physician he
10 is?
11 A He's a diagnostic radiologist with a
12 specialty in neuroradiology.
13 Q His report indicates there that his
14 impression is "no evidence of fracture"?
15 A That would be what it says, yes.
16 Q What do you understand that to mean?
17 A It means he didn't see an alteration of
18 the radiographic anatomy that would suggest that
19 there was a broken bone there.

What does your med-speak make of that Lex?

6 A Ricciardello.
7 Q Are you familiar with Dr. Ricciardello?
8 A I am.
9 Q What kind of a physician is he?
10 A He's also a diagnostic radiologist with a
11 specialty in neuroradiology.
12 Q And his report indicates, as far as the
13 left knee conclusion, *****"no acute injury," and right
14 knee conclusion, "no acute injury."

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15 A Correct.

It does
9 describe osteopenia. But, again, osteopenia is a
10 loss of bone substance, which is a fairly judgmental
11 call on a radiograph and depends a lot on the
12 technique too. Osteopenia is, however, something
13 typically seen in someone who is bedridden because
14 the body tends to put more calcium in areas that are
15 stressed.

Q All right. So, "Warmth in the knees,
3 monitor for H.O.," you can't say what that means?
4 A I can't differentiate from two likely
5 diagnoses because hypertrophic osteoarthropathy also
6 gives you warmth in the knees and is seen with
7 people with *****certain chronic conditions.*******

Like bilimia?

Q Okay. I think you said during your
2 direct examination that you never saw Terri Schiavo
3 as far as you recollect. Is that correct?
4 A That is correct.
5 Q And so that would mean that you never had
6 an opportunity to examine her?
7 A That is correct.
8 Q Would you say that Dr. Carnahan, as her
9 treating rehabilitation physician, would be in a
10 better position to comment on the cause of the
11 abnormalities in the bone scan for this particular
12 patient than you?
13 A I would say he had a more complete
14 picture of the patient than I.

Q Okay. And because there is no comment in
25 your report of any abnormalities in the head, neck
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1 or shoulder area, that is an indication that either
2 those images were taken and you observed no
3 abnormalities or that those images were not ever
4 taken. Is that an accurate statement?
5 A Yes.

[Smartaleck]

"not dead, she can't. "pursuit" is relative."

Then so is life. Medical technology can do all kinds of things.

[Smartaleck]

"I want the "doctors", nurses and everyone involved to be NAMED. They will no longer be invisible."

I can't think of an instance when someone being sued isn't named?

[ShakeNJake]

I really appreciate your updates. I have been a silent warrier, praying from lurkdom for Terri, and educating anyone I run into who is ignorant of the true facts in this case.

It is going to be a long weekend waiting for the good guys to get this done. Your updates will help carry me through. At least I know that some of our congresscritters understand what is at stake here and are willing to do what is needed for good to triumph over evil.

[Smartaleck]

"One of our very own RINO's with just as much Democrat money and backing as Republican."

Is he against the death penalty?

[lainie]

I'm firmly on the correct side in this, but I have to admit I can almost see how this kind of standoff might evolve. In the very beginning, the husband was probably terrified that she would live a vegetative life of misery and, who knows, maybe she did say she wouldn't want to live that way. I've said it before. Of course it's moot, for all these years later, he simply looks like a total a-hole, now that he's gone off and had kids with another woman, won't let Terri's parents have guardianship, and is basically arguing to kill her, not "let her go."

[T'wit]

>> *******The bone scan was not raised in the original trial regarding Terri's wishes.*******

This is an outraeous argument. It was impossible to raise the issue because Felos had concealed the bone scan. The issue was raised as soon as the Schindlers' attorneys found out about it. Since you repeat just about everything Felos says, why don't you tell us WHY he withheld the bone scan from the Schindlers, the public and the court? As an officer of the court himself, he has the duty to be truthful and open about material evidence. Why does he continue to withhold medical and financial records? Something to hide, perhaps? A lot to hide, yes?

Yes. The scan is scientific evidence establishing a high probability that Terri was violently assaulted and smothered.

[b4its2late]

You're are correct. This is unbelievable.

[dufekin]

The Fourteenth Amendment (read it carefully!) requires states to preserve the lives of all people (unless convicted of a crime, which does not apply to this case). The Judge has ruled that Schiavo is a carrot, not a person, and apparently, once decreed, it's irreversable, like a death certificate. The Fourteenth Amendment also incorporates the Fifth Amendment to apply to the States, which likewise prohibits the State from taking the lives of people.

Moreover, Thomas Jefferson wrote into the Declaration of Independence,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident,

that all men are created equal,

that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,

that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[BobS]

"I can't think of an instance when someone being sued isn't named?"

This is in the public sphere now. The turds will surface:)

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

Thank you. Let's keep praying.

[windchime]

I saw Randall Terry this morning. I think F&F gave him a pretty fair hearing.

The point he made about her saying ANYTHING was a good one, although, whether she can speak or is totally unconscious doesn't matter....she's a living person.

[BobS]

"I understand the judge is a Republican.

Fetch the rope. Nobody will mind if we hang one of our own.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

FOX NEWS REPORTING THE SENATE IS GOING INTO SESSION AT 5:00 PM. ALSO, HERE'S A BRAND NEW MESSAGE FROM CONGRESSMAN KING: "V I just left DeLay's office

I will do a CNN debate tonight

Things have improved and I see a path for her. "

[Smartaleck]

"This is an outraeous argument. It was impossible to raise the issue because Felos had concealed the bone scan.

Since you repeat just about everything Felos says, why don't you tell us WHY he withheld the bone scan from the Schindlers, the public and the court?"

"although council in argument conceded that the report WAS AVAILABLE and was in possession of the repondents (Terri's parents atty) several atty's over time.

There has been no suggestion that the bone scan report was secreted or the information withheld intentionally from anyone." http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder11-02-scan.pdf

My info comes from the legal documents. Where does yours come from?

[Lexinom]

Your point is tantamount to a claim that a person in a coma who wakes up, goes to the bathroom, and then lies back down fits the normal description for comatose.

The fact is, you and others like you don't like the evidence because you've already made up your mind in favor of Michael. Terri could describe the Pythagorean Theorem and you would find a way to explain that away and maintain she is PVS.