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Governor says goal is to remove 15,000 polluting vehicles from road (Silly Schwarzenegger Again!!!)
Stockton Record ^ | 3/17/05 | Hank Shaw

Posted on 03/17/2005 9:14:29 AM PST by SierraWasp

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To: SierraWasp

I was driving next to Jay Leno this week in his Roadmaster.....he was burning leaded fuel...I havent smelled that in decades.


61 posted on 03/17/2005 11:30:09 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Jokelahoma

http://www.chp.ca.gov/prog/cheaters.cgi

I report all the cars from blue states....lets see them pass emissions

62 posted on 03/17/2005 11:46:06 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: SierraWasp

thanks god the california ""conservatives"" didnt vote for MCCLINTOCK becasue he would have lost and then cali would be run by a car grabbing gun banning environazi socialist liberal....... oh wait nevermind


63 posted on 03/18/2005 12:41:29 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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64 posted on 03/18/2005 12:48:39 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: pepsionice
Having a vehicle...isn't a right...I must agree with

Oh, you're drinking that Kool Aid, too? Don't forget that if driving were a privelige, it would have to repose somewhere before the monarchy decided to give it to us. This supposes that those privelieges are naturally the property of government, to be dispensed at its pleasure.

It's thinking like that that has brought us revocation of drivers' licences over issues unrelated to the safety of other drivers on the road, like high school grades and child support enforcement.

If they can do that, if the "privelige" is their property to give or withhold as they see fit, why would it be morally objectionable for them to dispense licences on political criteria? It's already happened with concealed carry licences. I believe it's a right, subject to revocation only for behavior that endangers other drivers or pedestrians, and with the burden of proof firmly on the government (presumption for the driver).

first posted by freeper still thinking on this thread but it completely applies here as well

65 posted on 03/18/2005 12:58:42 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: SierraWasp

Lemme do the math here.

15,000 children spend time in California hospitals each year.

Ahnold plans to spend $16.3 million to pull cars off the road.

That's a little over a thousand bucks a kid, and that's all just to do something that will only somewhat do something that might prevent them from 'visiting hospitals,' which as we all know means in liberal-speak 'not using their aerosol spray and getting all wheezy so their mommies get worried.' Couldn't California just give each of the little lungers a grand and tell them to go hack up their puny little airways in some other state? I'm sure New Mexico's dry desert breezes or the salty Massachussetts sea air would do them well.


66 posted on 03/18/2005 2:29:59 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: farmfriend

BTTT!!!!!!!


67 posted on 03/18/2005 3:04:02 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Jokelahoma; SierraWasp
When I no longer have to breath your exhaust, I'll no longer have any right to bitch.

A little melodramatic the way you spin the anti smoking Nazi crap in there.

First of all, you are making a pretty lame point about cars burning oil being the big polluters. yeah they look bad, but a late model car with a sensor problem will pollute boatloads more than that.

BTW, you will always be breathing the exhaust, maybe you should close the garage door and see how 'clean' your ride really is...

68 posted on 03/18/2005 5:11:36 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Patience is a virtue, but it aint one of mine !!!)
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To: freepatriot32
driving were a privelige...

Last time I checked, there werent any highways that would allow me to ride a horse to work, not that I could make that 40 mile round trip in a day, plus work too, but I dont have any 'right' to drive...

69 posted on 03/18/2005 5:19:26 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Patience is a virtue, but it aint one of mine !!!)
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To: Gilbo_3

Oh yeah, and if I rode a horse, then PITA could join the bitchfest, as well as give all the envirweenies another pollution story, dare I say...'biscuits'...


70 posted on 03/18/2005 5:22:29 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Patience is a virtue, but it aint one of mine !!!)
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To: w1andsodidwe
I just don't see why you think, I as a responsible hard working person who keeps my car in good condition should be required to pay to fix every junker in the state.

I don't think that at all. I believe that the State has no right to require smog tests in the first place. Seeing that they do, people who's cars don't pass effectively have their vehicle taken from them by the State in the name of saving the earth. I believe that the State should compensate folks when taking their property to advance a public good.

71 posted on 03/18/2005 6:53:28 AM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: Jokelahoma
For the same reason the USDA allows a certain percentage of rodent feces, hair and body scraps in hotdogs, I guess, it's called de minimus.

The truly crappy cars will remove themselves from service as they finally sputter and die; all the other reasons you state that may or do represent safety hazards should be controlled by the transportation safety organizations.

72 posted on 03/18/2005 8:18:30 AM PST by Old Professer (A man's conscience is like his garden, it is his and his alone to tend.)
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To: forester
I believe that the State should compensate folks when taking their property to advance a public good.

But the state is actually we who are already being punished by paying for our own inspections. Why in the world should we pay for everyone else's also. I disagree with the law anyway, why punish me further?

73 posted on 03/18/2005 8:29:00 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: w1andsodidwe; SierraWasp
But the state is actually we who are already being punished by paying for our own inspections. Why in the world should we pay for everyone else's also. I disagree with the law anyway, why punish me further?

I disagree in that the State is no longer "we", but is now career bureacrats that run the gov't with virtually no oversight by the legislature. I believe that bureacrats should be held accountable for their actions. In this case, they should compensate people for having their cars confiscated because they fail some arbitrary test. If there is no consequence of their actions, the test is likely to get more and more stringent, and impact more and more people.

If the people who pass this crap are held fiscally accountable for their actions, they are less likely to persue regulatory overkill because it costs them money. Ideally, the money should come out of the budget of the agency that regulates the smog test.

To me this is straight fifth amendment stuff: the gov't shall take no property without just compensation. I am open to other suggestions on how this feedback function could be accomplished.

74 posted on 03/18/2005 7:11:07 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; Syncro
Well... My suggestion is that the danged "Republican," fiscally conservative (I wish) Governor should NOT be reviving this expensive distraction in the middle of the still unresolved fiscal crisis whose dimensions are still unprecedented in the history of the 50 United States!!!

It's pure unadulterated unscientific BS in the first place. The Smog Check II program also includes "butt sniffers" stationed at on ramps where cold engines are their most ineffecient at idle, waiting for the metering light and while being gunned to get up to merging speed!!!

It includes those stupid dynomometers that smog checking stations were forced to buy from a manufacturer whose lobbying efforts are still suspect to this day, etc., etc., etc... I only wish you could have heard all the years of discussion on KSFO in the mornings.

The closest you could have come was to listen to KGO on Saturday and Sunday nights from 10PM on to hear Dr. Bill Wattenburg polk so many holes in Smog Check II that he could drive his old gypo logging truck through 'em!!!

This is what I mean by us down here fighting and demonstrating against this with a scarce media resource and winning against Davis, only to lose with Schwarzenrenegger!!! It's doubly devastating!!! That's why I'm so enraged and I think many others are beginning to join my gettin hot under the collar!!!

Syncro! What do you think of this Schwarzenegger EnvironMental subtrafuge??? Are you thrilled with it??? Or, have I got you cornfused with someone who actually gives a spit???

75 posted on 03/18/2005 8:22:05 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; forester; calcowgirl

He must have gotten some money somewhere. It a payoff I'm sure.


76 posted on 03/18/2005 9:04:52 PM PST by farmfriend ( Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?!?)
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To: farmfriend

But, how can you be sure?


77 posted on 03/18/2005 9:07:06 PM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

There was a woman who ran for mayor of Los Angeles who proposed installing giant vacuums in the San Gabriel mountains to suck all the pollution out and move it into the desert.


78 posted on 03/18/2005 9:07:12 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: SierraWasp

Seen too much of it in Carry's work and calcowgirl's research.


79 posted on 03/18/2005 9:15:12 PM PST by farmfriend ( Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?!?)
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To: SierraWasp
Look, it's very seldom that I get fired up enough to rant, but this is one of em. This whole smog check is nothin but a scam. I know of many instances where the damn car runs worse after the check, then before it went in. Payin good money for the State sanctioned gestapo to screw up yer own rig really can torque a guy (yeah they screw that up to).

Personally, I think the bastards should pay people that get caught up in this crap. If the legislature was really interested in trying to revive the economy, or even balance the dang budget they wouldn't do half of the lame brained stuff they do. Fact is, the damn gov't is on auto-pilot because the politicians refuse to fulfill their oversight duties of the career civil servant smog nazis!!!

It costs money? GOOD! Maybe they'll realize that these stupid rules cost real people real $$$$$ What's the alternative? Screw people who have no money and get off scot free? Hell, that's more socialist then buying their damn car!!!

And lastly, I don't see where it says anywhere in the article where this is mandatory. As in the green gestapo shows up and confiscates yer "63 vette and hands you a $1,000.00 check. I also don't see where this is part of SMOG CHECK II.

I unnerstand bein pist at Arnold fer the CONservancy, but I don't think Im gonna throw rocks at em for this stunt cuz I believe this is a fifth amendment issue more then a dang butt sniffer issue!!!

80 posted on 03/18/2005 9:25:18 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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