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SCHIAVO CASE: APPEAL COURT SAYS NO TO HER PARENTS
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Posted on 03/16/2005 10:06:33 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

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To: ORECON

Putting it in writing has nothing to do with protecting you from those who don't want to carry out your wishes on someone who hasn't requested it. And you say I'm grasping at straws. Get a grip!


261 posted on 03/16/2005 12:29:21 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Windsong
Just maybe she will be in the hands of the Lord on Friday instead of all the lunatics wanting to chain her to the public forum for the rest of her life

I am pretty sure that death by starvation takes time measured in days -not minutes or hours.

262 posted on 03/16/2005 12:29:31 PM PST by DBeers
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To: jwalsh07
Can we agree that we find each other irrational?
263 posted on 03/16/2005 12:30:25 PM PST by ORECON (PaleoCon - NRA Life Member - Molon labe)
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To: george wythe
wythe #47 "the Florida Constitution gave both competent and incompetent persons the right to forego life-prolonging procedures."
The right or the obligation? Having the right suggests some VERIFIABLE input from the INDIVIDUAL CONCERNED as the the choice that they make. IMHO, not being a legal person, Schiavo's statement is questionable because of apparent conflicts of interest on several levels. That the court find this admissible, I find ... interesting.
264 posted on 03/16/2005 12:30:40 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: george wythe
Jeb Bush is not playing politics; he's really convinced that Terri should not removed from her artificial feeding tube.

Well we'll see if he shows up at the doors of the hospice on Friday to personally see that Terri is not murdered.

265 posted on 03/16/2005 12:30:52 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: justche

"So why can't President Bush pardon that sentence? I'm a little rusty on civics, but seems like Gov Bush could do the same thing?"

They can, but they won't.

You can't put your trust on politicians or the other abstraction known as "The Party." It's not about The Party, it's all about the people - your people.

"We have found the enemy, and he's us. - Pogo


266 posted on 03/16/2005 12:31:28 PM PST by mjtobias (Bumping for Terri.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Which is kind of my point.....a court outside of the criminal court system has handed down a death sentence, not even allowed within the criminal court. I'm just baffled by the logic of it.


267 posted on 03/16/2005 12:31:45 PM PST by justche
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To: BykrBayb; ORECON
When Terri is alleged to have made her declaration that she "wouldn't want to live like that," food and water were recognized as basic human needs.

BykrBayb, the Florida courts disagree with you.

From today's decision by the Second District Court of Appeal:

The trial court's decision does not give Mrs. Schiavo's legal guardian the option of leaving the life-prolonging procedures in place. No matter who her guardian is, the guardian is required to obey the court order because the court, and not the guardian, has determined the decision that Mrs. Schiavo herself would make.

The legal process utilized by the trial court in this case is not new. Long before Mrs. Schiavo suffered her heart attack in February 1990, the Supreme Court of Florida had already determined that the express right of privacy in article I, section 23, of the Florida Constitution gave both competent and incompetent persons the right to forego life-prolonging procedures


268 posted on 03/16/2005 12:31:59 PM PST by george wythe
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To: BykrBayb
Hey, you do what you can and then leave it up to God.
269 posted on 03/16/2005 12:32:05 PM PST by ORECON (PaleoCon - NRA Life Member - Molon labe)
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To: ORECON
All doctors agreed, only one quack thought he could work with her.

Aside from the fact that the foregoing proposition is self-refuting ("all" by definition exludes the "one" "quack") it is contrary to the statements or testimony of numerous doctors:

FACT: Dr. Victor Gambone testified that he visits Terri 3 times a year. His visits last for approximately 10 minutes. He also testified, after viewing the court videotapes at Terri’s recent trial, that he was surprised to see Terri’s level of awareness. This doctor is part of a team hand-picked by her husband, Michael Schiavo, shortly before he filed to have Terri’s feeding removed. Contrary to Schiavo’s team, 14 independent medical professionals (6 of them neurologists) have given either statements or testimony that Terri is NOT in a Persistent Vegetative State. Additionally, there has never been any medical dispute of Terri’s ability to swallow. Even with this compelling evidence, Terri’s husband, Michael Schiavo, has denied any form of therapy for her for over 10 years.

Dr. Melvin Greer, appointed by Schiavo, testified that a doctor need not examine a patient to know the appropriate medical treatment. He spent approximately 45 minutes with Terri. Dr. Peter Bambakidis, appointed by Judge Greer, spent approximately 30 minutes with Terri. Dr. Ronald Cranford, also appointed by Schiavo and who has publicly labeled himself “Dr. Death”, spent less than 45 minutes examining and interacting with Terri.

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Cordially,

270 posted on 03/16/2005 12:33:31 PM PST by Diamond
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To: ORECON; BykrBayb

But we're talking about Terri here, not you. She has no such written directive. Her life is at stake. Yours isn't


271 posted on 03/16/2005 12:33:54 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Xenalyte; ORECON

No wife in this entire country (unless she was a bleeding heart liberal POS who says one should do whatever they want, blah, blah, blah) would EVER allow their husband to call the shots whether she lived or died if they knew he had another woman for years and children too.

I should have also said that no man would want his wife saying if he lives or dies while tramping around.


272 posted on 03/16/2005 12:36:20 PM PST by atruelady (Life Support...the OTHER white meat.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I knew that was coming.

They will also deny the other motions made by Teri's parents attorney.

The only motions they will grant is those coming from George Felios.

Why everyone is determined to murder this woman who has never done them no harm, I don't know.

Nor can I get one of those who advocate her murder to tell me. I have asked a number of those, "Why do you want to kill Terri?"

But what they are not aware of is that in murdering Terri, they are killing themselves. Because the right to diers will be using their arguments as ammunition.

Just like in the Netherlands. They worked for yers to get a right to die law. Now they have it. And the sick and old are afraid to go to the doctors. Why? Because they fear that the doctors will kill them.


273 posted on 03/16/2005 12:36:23 PM PST by sport
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To: george wythe

What does that have to do with the price of potatoes in China? The fact remains, at the time that Terri is alleged to have made her statement, Florida Law recognized food and water (regardless of method administered) to be basic human needs that could not be withdrawn from anyone capable of utilizing it.


274 posted on 03/16/2005 12:36:34 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: jackibutterfly

The easiest thing I can say is to look at your ping page. If you don't have all sorts of stuff from me then something is wrong on my system and I am wondering if more people are not getting notified.


275 posted on 03/16/2005 12:36:54 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: mjtobias

HUH????
Who is your mortal enemy? Michael and Jodi's children?????
If so then that is sick!


276 posted on 03/16/2005 12:37:44 PM PST by antceecee
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To: SoFloFreeper
"Evidence surfaces that Michael Schiavo sought information possibly on funeral arrangements for Terri as early as 1993

"It was recently discovered (September 2003) that sometime in the year of 1993 a file was completed on Terri Schiavo at a Pinellas County funeral home.

"Interestingly enough, it was January of 1993 that over close to a million dollars was deposited in a medical trust fund specifically for Terri’s life-long future rehabilitation and care.

"Additionally, it was in the summer of 1993 when Michael Schiavo admitted to trying to withhold antibiotics from Terri knowing that the infection she had would have killed her if it went untreated."

"Coincidentally, Michael Schiavo is the inheritor of Terri’s medical trust fund and would have been the recipient of close to a million dollars if Terri would have died in 1993.

http://www.zimp.org/stuff/23%20-%2093Funeral03Cremation.htm

277 posted on 03/16/2005 12:37:57 PM PST by bjs1779 (" It is unlikely that Terri currently needs the feeding tube." Examination by Dr. Hammesfahr 9/12/02)
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To: george wythe

# 27 If Terry is given morphine, she won't feel a thing."
That does not alter the fact that this will be a long and tortuous 10-to 15 days as the horrendous effects of starvation and dehydration take their toll. If you locked a sick dog in his kennel and abandoned him until he was dead, that would be a crime. How ironic.


278 posted on 03/16/2005 12:38:17 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops.)
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To: verity

Why? Haven't you ever heard people (especially children) communicate in this fashion?


279 posted on 03/16/2005 12:39:27 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: ORECON
Can we agree that we find each other irrational?

No, we can't. One of us wants to remove fodd and water from a fellow human being based on the late coming and dubious testimony of a conflicted man. That would be you and that is as irrational as it gets. Looney tunesville in fact. How's Nurse Ratchet and the Chief doing?

280 posted on 03/16/2005 12:39:31 PM PST by jwalsh07
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