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Hostage reads 'Purpose-Driven Life' to alleged Atlanta killer
B P NEWS ^ | Mar 14, 2005 | Erin Curry

Posted on 03/14/2005 6:18:27 PM PST by Dubya

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To: TommyDale
Then he should return the millions he has taken from churches all over the country who have been sold his bill of goods.

The purpose-driven approach is not a "bill of goods" and certainly does not require that you establish a carbon copy of Saddleback or Willow Creek or Chuck Swindoll's Stonebriar Community or any other church. It is a way of examining and clarifying the core values and key practices of a church, which will be different for different locales and congregations.

61 posted on 03/14/2005 9:06:49 PM PST by macbee ("Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: TommyDale
At least one person has been helped by that book. It sure has caused a mess in some churches."

Perhaps, but you should also consider that the book has grown more churches than it has --- in your own words --- "caused a mess in some churches.

If you're only focusing on how the book has screwed up the music in some church services, you're focusing on the wrong thing.

The point of Christianity is to save as many people through spreading the Gospel, which The Purpose Driven Life does quite well. Christianity is not about the music that a church plays during its services.

62 posted on 03/14/2005 9:22:07 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: pollywog; They'reGone2000

Wasn't it amazing? Just the same love and hope Jesus gives us every single day.


63 posted on 03/14/2005 9:26:14 PM PST by gentlestrength (Inspired)
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To: ambrose
Definite herd mentality when it comes to things like books. Everyone just HAS to read what everyone else is reading.

That's the spirit!

Burn them books!

(/sarcasm)

64 posted on 03/14/2005 9:28:47 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: mkll

What exactly would you be willing to sacrifice?


65 posted on 03/14/2005 9:33:24 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: TommyDale
At least one person has been helped by that book. It sure has caused a mess in some churches.

I believe this book has probably helped the vast majority of people who have read it. I know I learned alot from it and plan to keep that book the rest of my life. It truly is a "how to" book regarding how to live your life and helping to understand God's Word. I am puzzled as to why you think it has "caused a mess in some churches".

66 posted on 03/14/2005 9:38:52 PM PST by jamaly
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Any book that tries to clarify or expand a point or principle in Scripture is fine, as long as it doesn't contradict inspired Scripture in the process!

She was paraphrasing Scripture, yet she spoke truth: God does have a purpose for our lives in Christ.


67 posted on 03/14/2005 9:39:12 PM PST by gentlestrength (Inspired 2 Tim. 3:16)
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To: TommyDale
It sure has caused a mess in some churches.

After further reading I see that lots of people are against this book. I am amazed. The church I belong to is a very biblically grounded church with many elderly members as well as members of all ages. Last year we did the 40 Days of Purpose series at our church and I never heard a single word of complaint. We are about as far from a "new age" "tickle the ears" church as any church could be; yet our members felt blessed by The 40 Days of Purpose.

68 posted on 03/14/2005 9:47:20 PM PST by jamaly
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To: jamaly
After further reading I see that lots of people are against this book. I am amazed. The church I belong to is a very biblically grounded church with many elderly members as well as members of all ages. Last year we did the 40 Days of Purpose series at our church and I never heard a single word of complaint. We are about as far from a "new age" "tickle the ears" church as any church could be; yet our members felt blessed by The 40 Days of Purpose.

Your church sounds like ours. A Bible Teaching , fundamental church with grounded senior adults as well as younger families.

69 posted on 03/14/2005 9:50:45 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Dubya
God bless this woman and the strength and fortitude of her faith, that brought forth this resolution.

Psalm 23:4-5

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Can I hear an AMEN?
70 posted on 03/14/2005 10:03:53 PM PST by Untouchable (pleaseaddthistomyfile@fbi.gov)
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To: SandyInSeattle; TommyDale
TommyDale: Well, after you read this one, read the preceding one, "The Purpose Driven Church" where Rick Warren uses out-of-context scripture quotes to achieve his method of tearing a church apart by driving everyone over 50 out.

Not true. I attended Saddleback for several years and that is simply not the case.

There are few churches that would drive out the 50+ crowd; at least those who are enthusuastic Christians. They are the ones who volunteer the most, have the most life experiences; and the money.

71 posted on 03/14/2005 10:06:03 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: SandyInSeattle
Not true. I attended Saddleback for several years and that is simply not the case.

Hey Sandy. I figured I'd find you here.

I see the Warren-is-the-AntiChrist crowd never misses one of these threads.

BTW did you find a Church in Seattle?

72 posted on 03/14/2005 10:13:09 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Larry Lucido

Your porpoise is a a killer whale.


73 posted on 03/14/2005 10:15:29 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: TommyDale

Our church is starting this program next month. What do you mean by "mess"?


74 posted on 03/14/2005 10:28:21 PM PST by ntnychik (Proud member of the Bush-eoisie)
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To: Dubya

If you compare the crimes of Saul with the crimes of Brian Nichols, well, Saul's record exceeds that of Nichols by leagues.

It is easy for me to believe that God chose both of these people to glorify His name. After all, with all of the bloodshed of the weekend, what today are we talking about but the power of God?


75 posted on 03/14/2005 10:40:30 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: cyborg
I am going to buy the book tomorrow.

I read the first 2 chapters on the author's website, very profound stuff. I plan on buying the book as well.

76 posted on 03/15/2005 1:05:47 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: TommyDale
Believe it or not, some people want traditional services, traditional music, and even the King James Bible!

Luckily I have all three. After my grandfather died, my grandmother kept his KJV Bible in her bedside table drawer. I told my grandmother that I was interested in obtaining a Bible for myself, and she gave me my grandfather's Bible as a way of remembering both of them.

77 posted on 03/15/2005 1:08:54 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: ambrose
Definite herd mentality when it comes to things like books. Everyone just HAS to read what everyone else is reading.

No one is forcing you to read the Bible, but it is suggested reading.

78 posted on 03/15/2005 1:12:46 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: ambrose
Well, too bad someone didn't read that to him BEFORE he went and shot up that courthouse.

I look at it this way. The Lord God is speaking to all, and those who walk around with dark minds, hearts, and souls, won't see His light or hear His message. In order for the Lord to get Brian's attention, He worked through Ashley.

79 posted on 03/15/2005 1:18:19 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: cyborg; ambrose; DocH

"...he covered her face with a towel out of weird modesty and respect when she was in the bathroom with him. Weird."

To your point and also to the point about the teacher who said the hostage "saw something good in him," I was in the Baltimore area when he was a fugitive, and one of his childhood friends was interviewed on television news. He said Nichols was raised in a church-going, respectable family; the friend was dumbfounded at what Nichols had become.

Yes, he did evil things; but the entire point of Christianity is redemption. Even Hitler could have gone to heaven if he repented to God. Sincere repentence is not a get-out-of-jail-or-other-consequences card; if you do the crime, you still have to do the time on this earth. But repentance is part of recognizing the inevitability of sin in the human condition, especially in oneself, and God's gift of His Son to redeem sinners.

What we should be looking at in this story is the perversity of the media who hear of a profound Christian witness and go running immediately a school of a different faith for a comment.


80 posted on 03/15/2005 2:44:36 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Words have meaning." -- Judge Roy Moore)
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