Posted on 03/12/2005 11:02:46 PM PST by Dixielander
"You're in the wrong forum, moron. You want the Death and Killing Forum (also known as DU), not a Conservative forum. How did you ever manage to fly under the radar for so long"
You are a perfect example of what's wrong with these Schiavo threads. Your "tone" suits admirably that of so many of the Schiavo cause supporters. You fit right in.
"Or to you two, since Terri is brain damaged, is the possibility, the HIGH, possibility that she was BEATEN TO A PULP on the night of her collapse...er....just so much garbage?"
Yes.
"On the other hand, those of you who want to see this woman dead are good at ignoring facts and evidence and law. If dying is so important to you, why don't lead you by example?"
How silly.
are you a scientologist?
"After reading your recent responses, I suggest and I am curious to read your arguments based on facts."
Facts are not something Schiavo supporters deal in. It's all emotion, smearing people, and self-delusion.
It really isn't all emotion and self-delusion. People with morals, are sick and tired of the Peter Singers of the world killing us and our families.
"of the world killing us and our families"
This is pure hyperbole and a perfect example of the "all emotion" part of my comment. Yeah, I'm sure you and your family are in the direct line of fire. Geez.
? I have disabled people in my family. I've also had a ministry to mentally and physically disabled adults and children. There is nothing wrong with them spiritually, fyi
your heros, like Singer, wants to start killing everybody who doesn't measure up to his standards, and at birth, not even giving them a chance. I tell you, every parent I know, who has had a down's syndrome baby, would not change the experience for the world. Yes, we're emotional, it's called "love".
"? I have disabled people in my family. I've also had a ministry to mentally and physically disabled adults and children. There is nothing wrong with them spiritually, fyi"
So what. Most families, including mine, have someone disabled in them. So what? Are they in a persistent vegetative state? If not, then I don't think you have much to be worried about. That's where the hyperbole comes in. You try to make it sound as if an attack on your family personally is imminent, and that's a bunch of bahooey.
Hildy: How can you say that the above post is not the essence of common sense and logic?
Incredibly interesting post.
Some people don't get it. But you gave it a good try.
Isn't it funny how science and logic are chosen for worship so
often these days?
Better add depression to that list.
thanks, a good cure for these people is to actually go visit the nursing homes and hospitals where these people live. If you have a heart, and most of us do, we come away changed, but' it's a spiritual thing, flaglady will never get it
A study reported in the British Medical Journal found that of 40 patients diagnosed as being in a persistent or permanent vegetative state (PVS), 17 (43%) were found to have been misdiagnosed by their referring physicians, 13 (33%) slowly came out of the vegetative state during rehabilitation therapy, and only 10 (25%) remained vegetative. The study also found that the incidence of misdiagnoses increased toward the end of the 3-year study period. In the first year (1992) there were two misdiagnosed patients, while in 1995 ten patients had been misdiagnosed by referring doctors.
All the patients had been referred to the Royal Hospital for Neurodisability, the only facility in Britain specializing in PVS. In most of the cases, the original misdiagnosis of PVS had been made by a neurologist, a neurosurgeon, or a physician rehabilitation specialist -- all of whom would have had experience with the condition. Researchers concluded, "The vegetative state needs considerable skill to diagnose, requiring assessment over a period of time; diagnosis cannot be made, even by the most experienced clinician, from a bedside assessment." [Andrews et al., "Misdiagnosis of the vegetative state," British Medical Journal, 7/6/96]
The British study is one of the largest and most comprehensive investigations on PVS to date. Its findings are similar to an earlier U.S. study which found that, of the PVS patients who were referred to the Healthcare Rehabilitation Center in Austin, Texas, 38% were not vegetative at all and actually responded to stimuli upon subsequent examination. (See Update, 3-4/94:3.)
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