Posted on 03/10/2005 12:51:55 PM PST by madfly
Hey, he's just playing with OPM.
Yep - that's the dirty little secret about folks who talk "living wage" - they ain't the ones who will have to pay it...
And then they will wonder why things cost so much.
If they can't find Americans to work at their place of employment tough, they can close their doors and find another occupation. Why should I care if some restaurant won't pay decent enough wages to attract domestic workers? The free market in that case dictates that maybe we have too many restaurants.
No, I am the America citizen who is tired of his government stabbing him in the back. You import workers who will work for less this is lowering wages, and hurting Americans.
And I think you are being generous with money that is not yours to give. The local McDonald's or Olive Garden is NOT there to be YOUR private-sector jobs program for at-risk kids. Businesses are NOT there for your efforts in the area of social engineering at the expense of others.
If you want to engage in social engineering, pay for it yourself, don't demand others do so.
Last time I checked, businesses were not there to be a social engineering project for at-risk kids.
You want to do something about at-risk kids, pay for it yourself.
So when the Republicans cutoff this type of mass immigration for cheap labor purposes in 1924 they were "social engineering"? Wow that's news to me, I thought it was to end the loss of job opportunities for Americans and encourage assimilation.
I am not saying they are there to giv jobs, but I am saying that if jobs are to be had then they should first go to American citizens. And if that drives the price up so be it. When you factor out the immigrants, both legal and illegal the market will find an equalibrium on wages. This country is using immigration to surpress wages in lower and entry level jobs. It is having an adverse effect on its people.
My wife and I agree with TXBSAFH - and we DO have to make payroll.
Willingness to pay a living wage is the least we can do in exchange for the privilege of living in this great nation. And we STILL manage to do well.
I understand not everyone feels thus obligated.
Yeah... in essence, they privatize the costs of dealing with underachievers and people who lose out to others willing to do as good (or a better job) for less.
It is just another form of protectionism.
Are you sure you want to use this argument in defense of the H1B program?
You seemed to advocate it earlier (see post 21).
If I had a business, I'd look for the best deal - period. If it's guest workers, fine. It it's seasonal H-2Bs/H-1Bs/L-1s, no problem. If I have to offshore the production to get the best deal, I will do so.
If nobody can afford to hire employees, that sort of thing has an adverse effect on the American people, too. Think that part over before you start being generous with other people's money.
What's wrong with protectionism, it worked very well for this country in its first two hundred years. In fact it was in the GOP platform up until 1972 and was actually practiced through the Reagan administration.
Do you think it was open borders and free trade exclusively that made the USA the richest country in the world and gave the citizens such a high standard of living? If so you might want to do some reading up on its history.
That is what it is.
Ultimately, protectionists (be they folks who want tariffs or folks who want to reduce or eliminate H-1Bs/offshoring) are being generous with other people's money.
If I own a business, I do NOT owe anyone a job.
Nor does the US government owe you a living. Asking Congress to raise visa limits while sticking the taxpayers with the social costs is a form of corporate welfare. As a conservative I happen to think all welfare should come to an end.
Why don't YOU read up on economics?
It's you who doesn't understand the free market and the law of supply and demand. Importing low-wage workers is corporate welfare, plain and simple.
Gee, you took the words right out of my mouth!
But the government should make special laws to help you fatten your profit margin?
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