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Source: Man Claims Responsibility for Slayings of Judge's Family
AP ^ | AP-ES-03-10-05 1330EST

Posted on 03/10/2005 10:59:25 AM PST by TheOtherOne

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To: cripplecreek

Oh, you mean, like, the Oklahoma City federal-building bombing?
Swarthy men? What swarthy men renting vans? We're looking for the vast right-wing conspiracy.


21 posted on 03/10/2005 11:14:36 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: TheOtherOne
Ross said he waited all day in a utility room in the basement and shot the judge's husband after being discovered. Ross said he then shot Lefkow's mother after she heard the gunshot and called out to her son-in-law.

I heard that Mr. Leftkow was in a cast and that it would have been difficult for him to have gotten to the basement at all. A local radio host talked about how cruel it was that he was hurded into the basement in the first place. But this says that he went down there on his own. Earlier in the piece, though, it says that he was shot on the basement floor which has a different meaning to me. If this guy broke in at 4:30 am, then surely he had an opportunity to kill the judge had he wished to do so. So killing her family was the desire all along?

22 posted on 03/10/2005 11:17:17 AM PST by twigs
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To: thoughtomator
The exclusive media focus on the white supremacist groups implied it strongly.

Gee whiz! When you are convicted of and awaiting sentancing for arranging to knock off a Federal Judge, and said judge's family is shot to death, lo and behold suspicion is going to fall on you.

Sympathetic to Nazi's are you?

23 posted on 03/10/2005 11:17:26 AM PST by Smogger
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To: TheOtherOne

All judges have kooks appearing before them yet few have serious death threats against them much less an actual murder attempt made on them. Therefore, I have to wonder what there is about this judge that resulted in her having 2 men (both possibly kooks, possibly not) threatening and trying to kill her in a relatively short frame of time. I don't believe in coincidences. Something is strange in this and I think perhaps her record needs to be reviewed.


24 posted on 03/10/2005 11:18:54 AM PST by An American In Dairyland
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To: An American In Dairyland

The only reason Hale was involved with her is because she happened to be the one who presided over his copyright case. And she initilaly ruled for him until a higher court overturned her ruling.


25 posted on 03/10/2005 11:20:18 AM PST by Borges
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To: TheOtherOne

Too bad he couldn't admit to killing JonBenet Ramsey while he was at it.


26 posted on 03/10/2005 11:22:04 AM PST by Tall_Texan (If you can think 180-degrees apart from reality, you might be a Democrat.)
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To: Smogger

"Sympathetic to Nazi's are you?"


Somehow I doubt it but I prefer people to be convicted of actual crimes they commit not because we don't like them.


27 posted on 03/10/2005 11:22:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: skip_intro
"The police were busy looking for white supremacists and this guy could have walked. Sounds like Chief Moose was on the case."

Anybody see a white van?
28 posted on 03/10/2005 11:23:05 AM PST by liberateUS
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To: thoughtomator
Well, duh. This scum ball Matthew Hale PUBLICLY THREATENED TO MURDER THE JUDGE -- obviously, his crew of fruits of nonforking family trees were the prime suspects until the police stumbled on this guy.
29 posted on 03/10/2005 11:23:26 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b

"the prime suspects until the police stumbled on this guy."


Stumbled is right because they sure weren't looking for him.


30 posted on 03/10/2005 11:24:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: Smogger; Trust but Verify; Borges

I don't think the police - or the media - should be fingering anybody without substantial evidence. Compare and contrast the behavior in this case, and in the DC sniper case, with the NJ case in which a family of Copts was murdered not long after they were threatened in a very similar way by Muslims. Consistency in law enforcement is a requirement of the 14th Amendment, and my objection is the double standard in which suspects are only identified if they appear to be white.


31 posted on 03/10/2005 11:24:52 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: TheOtherOne
Among other claims, Ross alleged doctors committed a "terrorist act" against him by giving him radiation treatment without his consent. He represented himself in the lawsuit.

Defendants included the federal government, the State of Illinois, five doctors and four attorneys who had taken part in an earlier Ross lawsuit that was dismissed by another judge.

He should have moved to Montana and joined the militia. The type is familiar; these are the people who will want to show you their 8 inch thick file of absolute proof that the Constitution is not valid and green men are ruling the world from Area 51.

32 posted on 03/10/2005 11:27:26 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: thoughtomator
Consistency in law enforcement is a requirement of the 14th Amendment, and my objection is the double standard in which suspects are only identified if they appear to be white.

What a bunch of horsesh*t. I see suspects "identified" all the time by the police and the media "appear to be" other then white.

No one fingered anyone. If you arrange to have someone killed and they are murdered by someone else, suspicion is inevitably going to fall on you. Go figure.

33 posted on 03/10/2005 11:29:06 AM PST by Smogger
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To: An American In Dairyland
Something is strange in this and I think perhaps her record needs to be reviewed.

Sure, it is the judge's fault. POSSIBLE kooks?

Both men are (were) without any shred of doubt kooks -- and psychopathic killers.

34 posted on 03/10/2005 11:29:51 AM PST by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: steve-b

As we can see now, the results of prejudging the situation with insufficient evidence is that the real killer would have gotten away.


35 posted on 03/10/2005 11:29:53 AM PST by thoughtomator
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To: TommyDale
I heard this earlier this morning, at least 6 hours ago.

Did ya hear about Martha being released from jail by chance?

36 posted on 03/10/2005 11:30:40 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Borges
Ross was stopped by police in West Allis, Wis., Wednesday evening because his van had a faulty tail light, police said. As officers approached the car, he killed himself with a gunshot to the head, police said.

He fingered, arrested, tried, convicted and executed himself.
Apparently he had some remnant of a conscience.
As to his race, it's irrelevant.

37 posted on 03/10/2005 11:30:44 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Smogger; Poohbah

"Gee whiz! When you are convicted of and awaiting sentancing for arranging to knock off a Federal Judge, and said judge's family is shot to death, lo and behold suspicion is going to fall on you."

Agreed. Matthew Hale's followers were known to have been violent. Did any of those complaining about the suspicion falling on Mr. Hale ever hear of Benjamin Smith? Hale had threatened the judge - that is why he was awaiting sentencing - they got it on TAPE.


38 posted on 03/10/2005 11:31:37 AM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.)
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To: Smogger

Sounds to me that you would be quite happy to have allowed the actual killer to go on about his merry way as long as you got to see Hale convicted for it.

I don't know what you call it but it sure ain't justice.


39 posted on 03/10/2005 11:32:15 AM PST by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: thoughtomator
the results of prejudging the situation with insufficient evidence is that the real killer would have gotten away.

Very true. I remember posting caution when these sordid murders were announced when some were jumping to conclusions about who did it and why.

40 posted on 03/10/2005 11:32:15 AM PST by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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