Posted on 03/06/2005 3:07:44 PM PST by smokeyb
While such rhetoric may make you feel good it is unwarranted and silly in serious discussions. We are in no way slaves. When the government sells you to Cuba let me know and I will change my mind.
Statements which I perceive to be mistaken or mis-stated are subject to comment by me. From what I have seen as arguments for the FT proposal I believe its adoption would create major problems. I don't have to have an alternative to dispute comments I believe to be incorrect.
Daft.. You were advocating "phony incoporations", not I.
If you wish to ignore reality then go ahead by all means but, to my mind, anyone in a condition whereby some outside agnecy, in this case the government, can make and enforce, and apriori claim to whatever portion of the fruits of his labor it choses IS a slave whether or not he chooses to recognize the fact!
When the government sells you to Cuba let me know and I will change my mind.
Now THAT is silly! Why would anyone sell a perfectly good slave?
Come-on! I haven't read the 200 or so responses, but clearly you need to go to remedial education, hopefully not public schools
So a $10 dollar direct cost tie has a tax compliance cost of $5, 50% of the direct cost of manfacture???? How do you possibily assume that reporting taxes has a burden rate of 50% of direct costs. Totally bogus!!!!
Then after the "tax compliance cost" the company has a margin of $5.
Tell me? Who paid for the utilities, the advertising, the owners comp, the clerk making out the invoice, the property tax - these are not part of the material or labor cost, so how do they go poof, away???
Get real, without better analysis, this is a stupid concept!
The "compliance costs" includes the taxes paid.
Then after the "tax compliance cost" the company has a margin of $5. Tell me? Who paid for the utilities, the advertising, the owners comp, the clerk making out the invoice, the property tax - these are not part of the material or labor cost, so how do they go poof, away???
They are referring to gross profit margin, before overhead.
The key word there is "falsely" that is not a condition I share. Rarely in history has there ever been even hundreds of people freer than the hundreds of millions of Americans. Claiming the contrary indicates a lack of comprehension which discolors all statements from the claimant.
Slaves could not quit working or move or sass the Master that alone shows the foolishness of such rhetoric.
In your mind I suppose it does but that is simply because you don't know your history very well. There were MANY slaves in this country who hardly ever saw their masters. Skilled craftsmen were often hired out to others and some even allowed to keep a portion of their earnings! Can you imagine that? Many even managed to save enough to purchase their freedom.
There are degrees of slavery as there are degrees of freedom. To be sure, U.S. citizens are amongst the most free on this planet but they are far less free, and thus more slave, than they were a century ago. Before the income tax!
I know my history better than you and recognize the untruths you attempt to purvey. Today in America we are far freer than at any time in our history. Whole classes and groups of people are enjoying the freedoms which were in the past limited to only the richest white men. THAT is the real history not some bogus nostalic look through rose colored glasses. We are not free to mistreat Indians and cheat them out of their lands; we are not free to keep Blacks in servitude through economic oppression; we are no longer free to force women to stay in the home and out of the work place. But some how the loss of those "freedoms" never makes the list of those with a false view of American history.
Our government has grown in great degree precisely because of the demands to protect rights. It has grown because that is what our free people WANTED not because of some conspiracy of the freedom hating. Now we must deal with some of the unintended consequences of those choices but it will not be done by those purposely distorting the real history of our Nation.
If you believe I am unaware of some of the aspects of slavery which you mentioned that is a testimony to your lack of awareness of whom you are addressing.
Income taxes make one a slave no more than do any tax. We must pay to live in a society and many will not like it no matter the form the tax takes.
Income taxes make one a slave no more than do any tax. We must pay to live in a society and many will not like it no matter the form the tax takes.
If you really belive those things I see no further point in a discourse between us. We are so far apart that I doubt that we could bridge the gap in our lifetimes. Good day Sir! I wish you a happy and fruitful life!
Now Bigun know's I don't exactly agree with him, but in this case, I do. The Federal Government has approximately a 1/4 share in my output. I cannot choose to work elsewhere to shake this share. Slavery is a word fraught with emotion, but there is no more appropriate word for this condition.
Taxes may be a cost of living in a society, however they could be better allocated through methods other than wage and income taxes. Fairtax assigns this revenue to be raised from sales - I maintain that as much revenue as possible should be raised from federal lands, mineral rights, spectrum rights, airway rights, extended patents, etc., but would concede that a sales tax at least allows me to legally avoid paying them by buying fewer new products.
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