Posted on 03/06/2005 6:47:28 AM PST by nhman1
Oh yeah, I almost forgot... I don't mind at all that you'll pray for my daughter and I. Though I must admit I'm a bit taken aback by how you immediately assumed I wouldn't like it. Why did you do that? I'm actually a very devout individual and will likely say a prayer for you right back (though not predicated on your prayer for us)... :)
From: nhman1
To: ApesForEvolution
And what would you do? Anger and/or continued legal fighting often begets further constraints in access to your children... Your comments are the puffy-chested stuff from a fictional super-hero comic book and bear no relationship to reality. Thank your lucky stars you've never come face to face with the truth.
From: ApesForEvolution
To: nhman1
My children are MY children.
Capiche?
Mess with that concept and people die. Period, paragraph and End of Story
Ape-Dude,
We gotta work on your conflict resolution skills!
We have resolution incidents like this quite frequently the last one to gain prominence was in Tyler, Texas. Heres how it ended up, Apeman:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/4232509/detail.html#
Check out the link for the dashboard camera
I dont think this is the way you want it. Youre well aware of the fashion in which the PC media and government are going to paint it. You might find a few that will give some token mention to your side of the story; but itll get buried in the propaganda the government wants to release and the public is accustomed to hearing.
But rationally, this is all the more reason for parents to be treated equally before the law. It could have been resolved so easily if the system had simply treated the parents as equals (thats my take anyway).
'This guy is no longer a patriot because of a bad divorce? Are you kidding me? This guy has some serious issues.'
'it's my sad belief that Republicans won't be standing up for Judical tyrany (or any other tyrany) until a Democrat is in office again. they seem to think we can bask in some percieved "utopia" and not watch and check in law makers nor the law intepreters. for proof check out the "vote" on the side bar. apathetic and sad....'
LOL! I tried a more empirical route--before I drew up some specs of my own--and finally got good results.
If I had known then what I know now....
and it's not just family court Marc. it's most courts... most judges.... most DA's ... heck, most lawyers. Lawyers should not be made into Judges. that's like letting the fox guard the hen house. them and the vast number of gvt employees or "civil servants" (haha) are eating from the same trough... so why would they ever go against each other? the fact that we pay them means nothing.... they have their enforcers (that we pay) to keep us cowed. it's a vicious cycle. and we're like milked and bled cattle..
i have been busy calling my Republican lawmakers this year about bills that they FOR that are just plain Un constitutional. like this National ID that userps state's rights. but try and say that here - on a supposed Republican sight - and you will find that true conservatives are indeed the small minority. i am starting to think our party has been infiltrated by the enemy (socialist). i jest not.
here is an excellent site that you should go check out if you haven't already:
http://www.judicialaccountability.org/
I think the guy's point is that a nation whose family law courts are so patently screwed cannot possibly be in a position to preach "morality" ... at home or abroad. And screwed-up they are ... how else to explain Bush's coming out in favor of Hillary Clinton's iniatives toward "divorcing parents" in the wake of the Little Elian saga?
Family is the heart of every human society and the measure of any civilization's success. The fact our marriage and family courts have become so hostile to family is a legitimate source of concern over ... if not also suspicion of ... our government's thinking to preach morals.
It's about as ludicrous as contracepting Christians who purposefully exclude God from the marriage bed thinking to condemn homosexuals because -- for them -- children are but an Option of marriage.
Had the writer couched his argument in the same terms you used, askel, he would have built a better argument and garnered some regard from this quarter. But he used the language of victimhood to justify his cause, and basically crafted a selective argument that fails to provide the reader with a full picture of what happened to his family. He then nonsensically ties his personal travails into whether the principles upon which the United States was built deserve to be defended by "patriots." Jasonc, in his usual brilliant fashion, dispatched the writer dispositively by quoting Chesterton, but the writer failed to understand a single word. I have no sympathy for him.
I don't need, nor want, your sympathy, Beckett. I also don't want anyone else's sympathy. If you don't stand for justice on that high horse of yours and understand, yourself, the injustice and actual *victimhood* being imposed on parents (mostly Fathers) and children around this country by the incomprehensibly cruel family justice money-making machine while all the while our politicians and people like you pay lip service to 'family values' then you are not so righteous as you might imagine in the privacy and self-grandeur of your own thoughts.
Forgive me for totally disregarding your weak use of 'nonsenically'. Did I not speak about a personal and individual unjust tragedy of my own? Did I not speak about the other parents and children who are having this same tragedy unjustly visited upon them? Did I not make reference the the ostensible freedoms this country was founded upon and how they've been abrogated entirely in the family courts? You've got to read between the lines, my educated patriotic friend (or at least co-citizen).
The full picture is at www.nhfamilylawreform.org (which I referenced as well, even if 'nonsensically') if you care to look (which I suspect you don't). For yours is much more likely a quarter based upon blind loyalty to those who would treat your fellow citizens (and children) cruely and unjustly, as opposed to a quarter based on the foundation and principle of equal justice as protected (supposedly) by the 14th amendment. You're inability to make sense of what I relayed is either a measure of your conscious desire to disagree with anyone who should choose to indict your beloved and blind loyalty or instead a lack of understanding based on a lack of education with respect to the issue.
You shouldn't be so insulting and so ignorant of the issue of the same time. It is very unbecoming... Particularly of a true patriot like yourself...
This is like having a bad day at the office and coming home to abuse your daughter.
Yes, the family court screwed you. Yes, your ex screwed you. Neither has anything to do with the USA as a country.
Yes, the family courts need reforming. Try doing something about it, you'll find many kindred spirits here.
Pull your flag back out.
I'm doing plenty about it, Jim. Have you visited nhfamilylawreform.org to see? How about you, are you doing anything to help fix this backward system on behalf of the country's children and disenfranchised parents?
Don't preach if you're not prepared to do what it takes to get into the pulpit. I'm busting my backside and have dedicated the last two months of my life, literally, financially, logistically, and emotionally trying to fix the problems. You, apparently, couldn't even educate yourself enough to REALIZE that much. Geez. And you want to call me out to 'do something about it'?
Part of what I'm doing is to let all of you true patriots out there that while you're busy worrying about extending American values all over the world, those values when it comes to families and justice (I can hardly think of two more important foundational societal components) are as bad or worse than the third world. Would you spread disease purposefully to a friend? Well, that's what you're advocating on a global scale. The cancer within is eating away at the heart of this country and you guys with 'European 9/11 syndrome' can't even smell it right in front of you. Worse yet, you deny it when you're told, and don't even bother to get educated before jumping up on your soapbox. If you've got sons or plan on having them why don't you do them a favor and listen to some of your own preaching so as to help prevent them from becoming statistics. If you don't try to help them by chiming in to fix this debacle then don't worry, I'll be working hard on their behalf. To the exclusion of every other national issue...
And you couldn't be more wrong about trying to disassociate what happened to me, and what happens to hundreds of thousands or even millions of others against their will when they're separated from their childen by the federal and state justice systems. Saying there is no relationship between the operation of the family courts' injustices and the USA as a country could not be more inaccurate. I wonder if you call a banana an apple and convince anyone...? Educate yourself about the problem or butt out. I'm sick and tired of ignorant (look up the word if you take it too offensively) people trying to tell how it *really* is after a half-minute of contemplation. You don't know the half of it, pal. And your country is going down the tubes right under your nose.
Kick your soapbox under the bed. It's of little use to you on this topic until you actually pay some attention...
Your first sentence analogy was piss-poor too, and makes zero sense. A reasonable example would have been getting beaten up by a cop and then calling the newspapers to disclose the beating for the rest of society to hear.
You clearly have no clue...
Flag stashed.
Marc
I agree one hundred percent. Would help to lose the condescending attitude...as it seems misplaced directed at the USA. We have very honorable men and women putting their lives on the line for this country, and I don't see the connection between acting like he's the only one in the world with a horrid failed marriage/custody battle AND now refusing to be patriotic. Shame on him for taking down our flag...
I would think you'd become a dedicated Republican and family law activist in order to change the laws in greater support of father's rights. Your anger should be directed at feminists, Democrats and organizations that wrap themselves in the phony "rights of children".
Snap out of it and get some perspective.
His ex-wife screwed him over and he's taking it out on America. Weird, but there you are.
I am only condescending to those who have used that attitude first, and are uneducated about the issue to boot.
I can only shake my head reading where you wrote that I'm 'acting like [I'm] the only one in the world with a horrid marriage/custody battle'... I don't believe I acted like that at all. I told my story, otherwise people [like you, likely] would say that I gave no evidence. I'm disgusted on behalf of all of those who have been wrong through this injustice.
People, like yourself, try to twist it into a personal vendetta even though it isn't to avoid paying attention to the bigger issue. Shame on YOU for not getting educated to the point where you understand the reality and the huge scope of the problem.
There are many honorable men and women putting their lives on the line, that's true. And many of them are returning home now to face the injustice of family courts the moment they step back on U.S. soil. Some heroes welcome, huh: http://glennsacks.com/the_betrayal_of.htm
Shame on YOU for not speaking up more about this family law problem that is undermining our entire society. No matter how many times you try to tell all who'll listen that it's just ME complaining, I will repeat (are you listening?) this is a backward and destructive policy around the country that is creating fatherless and dysfunctional children everywhere. GET IT?
Send me a mailing address. You can have my flag...
Another worthy constitutional scholar. Your views are a beam of light through the withering darkness...
My screwing was done partially by my ex-wife, but largely by the good old USA, my patriotic and constitutionally educated friend...
Wave that flag onward...
Okay, nevermind what I said. You're just nuts.
Very intelligent response, Deb. You've done yourself proud...
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