Posted on 03/03/2005 3:17:16 PM PST by ambrose
Nobody seems to be paying attention to what other cases the Judge might have had, once we have a right-wing suspect.
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I understand what you are saying, but please be careful in characterizing Hale as "right-wing". I am right-wing, and was born a Jew, and I don't want to be lumped in with cretins like Hale. Hale was a white supremists and I think that might be a more accurate description. Leave it to the MSM to call Hale "right wing", if they haven't already.
yeah and senility in maturity
From what I have heard about the case, it sounds like the killers were not professionals. They left clues and fingerprints all over the place. The FBI was saying that they were able to get DNA off of a pop can that one of them threw out of their car. So, add littering to the list of crimes.
They will probably be ID'd from the sketches. Those While Power groups are not shy about splashing photos of themselves all of their own websites. I went cruising through some of their webs and had no idea about how wacko those people are. They consider Islamics their buddies because they are out to save the world from New Jewish World Order.
They consider Islamics their buddies because they are out to save the world from New Jewish World Order.
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More evidence of their collective stupidity. The islamics will practice taquiyah and will use them for their own purposes. But neo nazis and white supremist groups are still infidels--and the islamics will dispose of them like used up toilet paper when they're finished with them.
Amazing, eh?
Wasn't a leading female member recently interviewed on the Daily Show? The woman who hoped we'd suffer at the hands of Iran or North Korea?
Missed that. After reading some of their forums I wouldn't doubt it in the least. I feel like I need a shower and I need to clean my hard drive.
folks like Hale are in a class by themselves and are NOT right wingers. Right wingers are folks who are patriots arm-in-arm with fellow Americans no matter the color and religion.
Well -- I was streching it, but not too far. It was Clinton's chief foreign policy adviser. Book tour. See Mr. Limbaugh's site.
folks like Hale are in a class by themselves and are NOT right wingers. Right wingers are folks who are patriots arm-in-arm with fellow Americans no matter the color and religion
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Your above stated words are well worth repeating. The follwing people would in all probability self describe as being on the right; Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Larry Elder, Ann Coulter, just to name a few...male, female, white, black, jew, and gentile. That is what will keep groups like Hale's from every identifying with true patriots on the right. Hale and his ilk certainly don't subscribe to Judeo/Christian morals and ethics and are not loyal to the United States of America.
I really resent it when some MSM media pundit describes Hale or any neo nazi or white supremists as "right wing". That's like calling Stalin a liberal.
I meant "ever identifying, not every identifying". Sorry its been a long news day.
"Pontifex Maximus" (Trans: "Supreme Pontiff") is (and has been since 382 AD) one of the Pope's titles. It is silly for someone else to assume that title...
Excerpts from an e-mail from Edgar Steele, racist and anti-semite, but generally intellectually coherent. I don't know if it's true or not, but it certainly suggests that one ought not to rush to judgment on this case:
1. Matt Hale headed up the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC), a branch of the "Creativity" religion. Creativity is a bona-fide, court-recognized, non-Christian religion, despite its highly-controversial and self-avowed White Supremacist nature (see Peterson vs. Wilmur Communications, 205 F.Supp.2d 1014, 2002 - go here for court's opinion). Founded in 1973 by Ben Klassen, Hale resurrected WCOTC in 1996 and ran it continuously under that name through 2002. Violence was a hallmark of Klassen's stewardship, whereas under Hale WCOTC members generally behaved themselves...with one notable exception (see 3, below).
2. Matt Hale was wrongfully denied the right he earned to be a lawyer. In June 1998, Hale graduated from the Southern Illinois University School of Law and soon thereafter passed the Illinois State Bar. He was denied admission to the Bar, and the license to practice law he had earned, though his record was spotless. The denial was on the basis of Hale's racial beliefs (part and parcel of his court-recognized religion, don't forget), though Blacks in prison for racially-motivated murders of Whites have earned law degrees and been welcomed with open arms to the practice of law upon their parole.
3. A WCOTC adherent went on a killing spree on July 2, 1999, the day that Hale announced he had been denied admission to the Illinois state bar by an administrative appeals board. Though the timing is more than suggestive, there never has been a hint that Hale suggested or countenanced the murderous rampage by Benjamin Smith directed at Blacks, Jews and Asians, which left two dead and nine wounded.
4. WCOTC's very name was stolen by the ADL, with the aid of the courts. In 2000, an Oregon corporation, Te-Ta-Ma, secretly founded and funded by the ADL through its Regional Director, Richard Hirschhaut, applied for and received a trademark on the phrase "Church of the Creator." Shortly thereafter, in May 2000, the ADL filed suit in Illinois Federal District Court through its straw man, Te-Ta-Ma, against Hale and WCOTC for trademark infringement. Judge Lefkow ruled against the ADL, which appealed her ruling and persuaded a three-judge panel to issue an order directing Judge Lefkow to reverse herself and grant judgment to Te-Ta-Ma. Lefkow followed orders, as she legally was bound to do, and subsequently threatened to hold Hale in contempt for failing to turn over every publication which bore the WCOTC name. Hale responded that he possessed none, as he had stepped aside as head of WCOTC to concentrate on the court appeal of his bar admission denial. As Hale prepared to defend himself on the contempt charge, he was arrested by the FBI and charged with conspiracy to commit the murder of Judge Lefkow...the very Federal judge who previously had ruled in his favor, not of any of the appellate justices who sided with the ADL against him.
5. Hale's entrapment was engineered by the FBI. An FBI plant, Anthony Evola, wormed his way into Hale's confidence and was named head of WCOTC's security force (Hale and his followers regularly received death threats and had been the targets of multiple assaults and property vandalizations through the years). Evola secretly recorded conversations with Hale that were, at worst, noncommittal concerning Evola's offer to "exterminate...the Jew rat" (a male Jew rat, as transcripts made clear). At one point, Hale was recorded as saying, "I'm going to fight within the law." Also, note that, while Judge Lefkow is married to a Jew, she herself is not Jewish, a fact known at the time to both Hale and the FBI.
6. Hale's trial was a sham. The FBI plant, Evola, testified that, during a conversation wherein he asked if Hale wanted him to "get the rat," Hale nodded affirmatively. Never was any evidence presented other than that single bit of testimony concerning Hale's alleged approval of the FBI scheme. A good deal of circumstantial and highly prejudicial evidence, especially concerning Benjamin Smith's rampage, was allowed, however. Directly upon the State resting its case, Hale's attorney, noted Chicago criminal defense lawyer and former Federal prosecutor Thomas Durkin, rose and rested Hale's defense without calling a single witness or introducing a single shred of evidence. Durkin reportedly made numerous remarks derogatory to his own client throughout the trial both during the State's case and during closing argument.
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